What am i a fucking clown, im here to amuse you?!

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE, TOMMY !!!!...:) LOL

Hey Cook, what's the numbers scene like in Chicago? Its mostly the Hispanics that run the bolita from the corner stores here in NYC.

Moe g was the greatest gangster of them all, dominated & urinated upon his competition. You don't achieve what he did by being an honorable, nice businessman. His death was inevitable, and it had nothing to do with "what comes around goes around". It was a sad, sorry day for the Chicago Outfit though. It was never the same for the Outfit on a whole.

Tony accardo may be praised for his "longevity", but even throughout his lengthy "reign", he didn't do what Sam G did FOR THE CHICAGO OUTFIT. Not for himself, not for his crew, but for the greater good & constant expansion of the Chicago Outfit as a whole.

Huron, I didn't know you had it in you! Excellent posting and very true.

@da13

if they're any numbers being ran it's on a small scale



@huronsocial

giancana's reign was short, high profile, and had the feds swarming the city

I don't see how he's praised for bringing heat to his crew

9 years isn't short. The Outfit continued very well after he left the Country with all the things he had brought to the table and accomplished during those 9 years. Plus, while he out of the Country, he did well on International things.

^^^^^^^

giancana probably had a good 5 years before shit started falling apart

he just didn't up and leave after having a bad winter

not too mention paul ricca was the true power

So, What's your Racist point now? What are crying about now?
You hate Sam Giancana. Fine, like He really cares since He's been dead for 38 years.
I can tell you that Giancana had 1,000 times more respect for Teddy Roe than He would for a Faggy little whining Bitch like you.

+10 Respect.

Thank You Black Family, you are a man to be respected.

Just because a man can take something doesn't make it his it makes that man a theif and bully. Giancana was an asshole because he betrayed the trust of Ed Jones he was an asshole for many reasons, and apparently some of the uppper players in the Outfit thought so too because they whacked his ass. Even FBI agent and author Bill Romer had very little respect for Giancana, while he had very much respect for Tony Accardo. By the way the Policy guys WERE NOT gangsters. Racketers maybe. Them not being gangsters was one of the reasons the Outfit was able to take over the Poicy rackets. Also they Outfit did take over white and Italian Policy Banks as well

Hell they are gangsters. That's what they all did! Giancana may have been a notable SOB but so were two dozen other guys I could name. Accardo may have not done a ton of dirty work himself but he almost certainly signed off on the deaths of hundreds.

You know how he got his nickname I assume.

In Chicago the Numbers Game replaced the Policy gamge, and the state lottery pretty much replaced the numbers games. Numbers is still being played but it's no where near the scale it was back in the day. People often refer to it as booking the lottery numbrs because a lot of the numbers bankers use the lottery number as their number. But most people stick with the state lottery. Because with those you are guaranteed to get your money. In the street lottery if you hit to big a number often times you won't get paid.

There was a code within the Black community about not working with the Italian mafia also knwn as the Spigoosh however, Eddie Jones was the man and he decided or the Black Polick Kings to work with Giancana and thus invited the wolf into the hen house.

Policy King, Oh, I get it. The poor Black Policy Operators were not gangsters, only the big bad Taylor St Crew.
Is that why Lenny Caifano got killed by them, because they weren't gangsters also?
The Black Policy operators were fucking saints, like you personally knew them back in 1951. LOL.

Accardo did a ton of dirty work, he just wasn't as ambitious. Giancana took the south side with reckless abandon, and was trying to control the Philippino whore trade, for Christs sake. Yeah, he was an asshole, but only to those who opposed the expansion of the Chicago Outfit.

Policy King, You should listen to your Paisan, Black Family. He's not a Cry Baby.

No offense, but you're almost starting to sound like a Cry Baby victim saying Giancana was a gangster but the Policy Operators were not gangsters. The Policy people shot and killed Lenny Caifano! Giancana and Marshall Caifano didn't cry about it like little girls, They just took care of fuckin' business and took it over. THEY WERE ALL GANGSTERS!! What's wrong with you? Get real.

Giancana's first loyalty was to his Boss, Paul Ricca, and to expanding the Outfit like Huron said above me.
Deal with it, gangsta man.

I notice that no one mentioned that Teddy Roe and other major policy kings formed the Big 12 Syndicate that held a monopoly like grip over the numbers game and kept the Oufit out of the business for 20 years until attrition wore them down and teddy was the last one. I already made post with the article , google Big 12 Syndicate and my post should be top 5. On the note of rather Policy Kings are gangsters or racketeers, I say it depends on the individually. Teddy Roe & Bumpy Johnson are more of gangster types, while Casper Holstein was a racketeer.

the outfit took over every ethnicity, African American rackets not being any different. The only difference was that they weren't able to keep hold of it as long. Policy kings were somewhat like politicians because they were in control of a key economic activity in the black community and had some connections to city government that helped protect policy game. I can see policy kings point that they were more racketeers than gangsters, however it wasn't exactly a legal business to begin with.

When policy kings ruled
Numbers game made fortunes for underworld bosses, helped shape Chicago's fabled Democratic machine
March 10, 2013|By Ron Grossman | Chicago Tribune reporter
Long before the state of Illinois figured out how to make big money from gambling, mobsters devised "a 50 million dollar a year business in nickels and dimes," as the Tribune reported in 1950.

Called "policy" — the game took bets for as little as a penny — it was the Monte Carlo of the working class, the Las Vegas of the down and out. Especially popular in the African-American community, the game was decried by preachers and beloved of politicians, who could depend on hefty campaign contributions from the policy kings. The men who ran the policy wheels were some of the wealthiest in the black community when the corporate suites were off-limits to people of color.

Runners, as the game's street-level vendors were known, often doubled as precinct captains, and the game helped shape the fabled Chicago machine. Because of the obscene amounts of money involved, policy corrupted officeholders and police alike, while making fortunes for underworld types and providing crime reporters with a steady stream of colorful tales.

Despite the name, they weren't like a casino's roulette wheel, but a cylinder from which numbered balls were drawn, similar to what Illinois adopted when it created its lottery in 1974. Last week, Gov. Pat Quinn again vetoed a gambling expansion bill, though lawmakers already have new legislation in the pipeline, which will no doubt spark debate on all sides of the thorny issue.

The old-time policy bosses attacked questions like market share and division of profits with a simple set of tools: guns and dynamite. They had little patience for the argument that gambling is, at best, a vice, and at worst, an addiction.

In 1903, a black pastor, the Rev. R.C. Ransom sermonized on the evils of policy, whereupon his church was bombed. Ransom said he wouldn't be intimidated, the Tribune reported: "Nevertheless he announced he would carry the revolver which lay beneath his bible when he was preaching on Sunday night."

Yet for all their muscle, the gangsters who ran betting operations with intriguing names like the Spaulding-Silver-Dunlap wheel confronted business expenses that the operators of today's licensed casinos don't face, as Theodore Roe explained to a federal investigating committee in 1950. Roe testified that the wheel he operated with a partner grossed $1 million a year, but that it all wasn't gravy.

"Every time you turn around you have to spend something," said Roe, a big shot in the policy rackets. "And then for courts, lawyers, fines, all kinds of raids."

Raids there certainly were. "Policy Men See Writing On Wall" read the headline for a 1903 Tribune story of the cops shutting down 150 policy wheels. "Police Raid Swank Policy Depot" was the headline for a 1949 story of a rare, upscale betting parlor. There were grand jury investigations galore. "Indict 3 Policy Kingpins!" a 1951 Tribune headline proclaimed. Under virtually the same headline 11 years before, the Tribune had reported a previous indictment of the same three racketeers.

Indeed, there were so many raids and grand jury probes, you might think the cops and prosecutors weren't really trying that hard. When police Capt. John Golen was asked by a City Council committee in 1945 to assess the war on policy, the Tribune reported: "'We are trying to get the first conviction,' Golden replied. He said he did not recall anyone being convicted on a policy arrest."

No sooner would a policy boss be taken into custody than a lawyer would show up to bail him out. One mob mouthpiece even brought with him an obliging jurist, Judge George Lancelot Quilici, to demand the release of his client, Tony Accardo, who was moving in on the policy rackets in 1951 while making himself "capo di tutti capi," boss of all the bosses, of Chicago's mafia.

That same year, the Tribune editorialized on the slim chances of stamping out numbers betting: "It isn't likely to happen while it is a reasonable supposition that police officers work as body guards for policy kings, and other officers in the areas concerned have incomes many times their salaries."

Policy's corrupting influence was greatest on the South and West sides, the numbers being especially popular in black neighborhoods where residents bore the double burden of poverty and discrimination. The odds against winning were considerable — even if the wheel was honest — but buying a policy ticket from a runner who made the rounds of newsstands and barbershops offered a modicum of hope where it was a rare commodity. Case in point: Getting caught was no deterrent. Arrested bettors would jot down the cop's badge number for future wagers.

Policy also provided thousands of jobs where employment opportunities were scarce, and inspired at least one spinoff industry — the publication of "dream books" that were touted for providing clues to a winning number.

Wasn't Lenny Caifano killed by Teddy Roe in self defense; trying to repel a kidnapping ordered by Giancana?

Yes. But the point is that they were all gangsters. Teddy Roe and his people were gangsters as were the Outfit.
That's the point.

A gangsters is a gangsters only color is green with them.

One might think so, but look at all the gangs and mobs. They are all ethnic. Some may work with other ethnic groups, but the core of the gang is always ethnic. It has to do with trust and familiarity.

First african gambling king in Chicago was Mushmouth Johnson,somewhere around 1906.He was even involved in political bribery and election fraud.

Now for thouse that think Teddy Roe was THAT much of a hard core gangster,well at the Kefauver hearings he did testify about policy operations in Chicago and even named some people including Chicago mobster Pat Manno,who was under Accardo i think.After a while Accardo,Manno and Guzik were indicted.

They didnt just scared him,Cerone shot Martin and thought he was dead.But Martin was lucky,survived and run away to Mexico.I think that they even bombed his house.It was a real torture for the black policy kings in thouse days

I didn't know that information. Teddy Roe testified at the Kefauver Hearings? I should have known that fact.
Pat Manno was a made guy on the South Side. You may be right about him being direct with Ricca/Accardo from years ago. Either that or he belonged to Frank LaPorte. To Be honest, I don't know.
I can tell you 95% of all the Made Guys and who they belonged to and pretty much what their main function was in the Outfit during that time period. Manno's main function was Policy on the South Side. He had a couple of brothers in his crew. Just don't know if he belonged to Chicago Heights or if he was direct with Ricca/Accardo and then of course Mooney would have inherited him.

Ha Ha you're right! concerning Big Jim Martin, Very good. Cerone even complained that the shelling he used was old stuff.