Lurker for awhile big interest in the Outfit. Saw this in the paper today....any of the Chicago guys see this? I've never heard any of the names in the article nor have I see them on any Outfit lists. What do you guys think? Might just be a bunch of goofballs though.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...0,1275092.story

On a separate note, HuronSocialAthletic...based on your handle...is it safe to assume the Huron Social Athletic Club by Smith Park is the current West Side Crew's Social Club?

Probably a little crew of goofballs as you say. Although, if they are making those types of moves 1 would assume that they would be kicking some of that ccollection money up as street tax for operating.

These people had nothing to do with the Outfit.

Funkster those morons on anp are afraid to come out with it, but yes: the hsac was opened by Joe Lombardo in 1972 under a Mr Jack larocco. It is the primary social club of the gac

Huron, Joe Fosco is a Con Man. He helped con his rich friend, a guy named Vasselli, out of $400,000 Dollars. He didn't receive any of the Money from the Con, so he invented a story saying that the Outfit guys extorted $500,000 Dollars from his family.
Then, He changed the story and said Vasselli put up $400,000 and his Grandmother put up the other $100,000.
He said Vasselli paid Fratto and Cerone Jr. the money because Vasselli didn't want to see them spread terrible lies about Fosco all over Chicago. LOL.

We should call Fosco and tell him to pay us $400,000 Dollars or we will spread lies about him on gangsterbb. I'll split it with you. LOL
That is the dumbest, most stupid fucking bullshit extortion story I ever heard in my life.
Fosco then filed a Civil RICO lawsuit against the DiFronzo Brothers. Fratto and Cerone Jr. The suit was DISMISSED.

Fosco was so afraid of these guys that he went and Harrassed Cerone Jr., an attorney, and Cerone filed criminal charges against Fosco! He SAID there is a 5 count Felony on his record that was a mistake but the Court WON'T CORRECT IT! The guy is a laughing joke.
And, to top it off, a couple of his old readers believed him!

I would like to sell those guys some swamp land I have for sale in Florida.

Yes I'm well aware of the Joe fosco saga LOL. He's still an Outfit groupie, he's never denied it.

Mike mags on the other hand: you claimed he's a nobody & I strongly disagree. He's very much a somebody, and someone who I personally believe was a made man for a short time. He just wasn't cut out for the life of a gangster, but was born into it due to his mighty pedigree, and flourished because of his charisma/book abilities. He's someone they're very much concerned about.

I heard AV's name got dropped by that fuck head coconate today on Mike's "sports podcast", and mags panicked, and ended the show abruptly & flipped out.

Huron, Yeh, I know about Mike Mags. He is basically a nobody now because he's been black balled from Elmwood Park. Nobody wants to have anything to do with him because of his association with Fosco and because of the 4 or 5 shop lifting incidents. That's what I really meant.
Yes, years ago he was more significant, you're right. He should never have gone into the life. Big mistake. You know what I was told years ago?
'This is my life, this is absolutely not for you'. Any sensible father should say those words to his son.
Lee Magnafichi wanted his son involved.

As far as the other guy, his name should be changed to:
Frank COCONUTTE. LOL.

The majority of Outfit guys want their kin deeply involved. You are very much an exception to the rule.

The myth that the Chicago Outfit didn't get their sons involved is just that: an absolute myth. Yes, it was less prevalent here, but one look at the makeup of the modern Cicero/Chinatown crews will tell you that it's deep in the blood.

Who's son is a made guy in Cicero or 26th St?
Toots Caruso's relatives, Leo & Bruno are not his sons.

Who's son is in Cicero?
Nobody I can think of?

Who's son is in Grand Ave?
Nobody I can think of.

Who's son is in Elmwood Park?
Maybe Gary Gagliano.

I think It was more RELATIVES than sons.

There are many examples, the majority of which Are younger men whom I don't really care to name drop here.

That's what I thought you would say. LOL.

STRONGLY DISAGREE...Yes there have been several Outfit guys who involve their sons over the years but most do NOT...They may set their sons up in businesses-what father wouldn't? But those businesses are most often LEGIT

The Outfit has become more like Detroit to a certain extent--not only are the sons involved in the unions/companies that their fathers created, but there are a lot of inter-marriages too. For instance, Inendino's son Sammy married Sarno's niece Nicole (who she very much considers a father figure). Albie Vena is related to the Spina's through marriage. Casey S and Frankie Caruso..the list goes on. These kids grew up together to a large extent, so hardly "arranged marriages," but interesting to follow since it obviously makes it harder to turn rat against your relatives.

As for Huron Social Club...did that replace the Boomerang Club on Grand and May that was owned by Dominic Calarco? I think Calarco was forced to close it after Lombardo was caught hiding with him, but I would assume they still own the property. Christy's motorcycle was parked outside there almost every day.

That was a great place to eat on Sunday afternoons.

Philly Cozzo is probably made or was on his way in Grand Ave and you should know his father. Philly was a driver for Lombardo (who is like his uncle) at one point and is very close with Christy.

On 26th Street, Nick Ferriola was also on his way to being made.

As for Cicero, Solly D's sons certainly run his bars and restaurants in Lake County, but I don't consider them criminals.

I always wondered what the story with that place was (boomerang club). I assume you're referring to the place across the street from D'Amatos? I live at the Grand/Ogden area....used to see those guys out front on their lawn chairs every day during the summer. Always wondered why they had to shut it down. Since it was so close after Lombardo got indicted...I figured it had quite a bit to do with it.

that's another reason Chicago doesn't have more power

they'd be better off criminally if their sons were groomed to be mobsters

From a criminal perspective, maybe you're right Cook County. From a parenting perspective, my kudos and respect to those Outfit guys who made sure they kept their kids out of the life. As a parent myself I could NEVER understand why ANY gangster would want his kids to follow in his footsteps. The old Italians have a saying that the people who love you the most ALWAYS tell you 'GO WASH YOUR FACE, I WANT YOU TO LOOK BETTER THAN ME"...Very deep and poignant statement that is VERY fitting to a discussion like this one.

The guy that Lombardo was living with in Elmwood Park while in hiding (Dominic Calarco) was the President of that club, but Joey L and Joey A would have the place cleared out on a regular basis to take meetings. Here is a link to their website, which one of my cousins started:
http://men-cooking.takeashare.com/

Funkster you should also take a look at the Cozzo compound on Racine about a block North of Grand Avenue. Large compound of buildings with a high wall and Italian flag. That was Jimmy Cozzo's house and a major meeting spot for the GAC through the 1980s, but Phiilly now lives there. They also are one of the few to have a pool in the neighborhood (even though all zoning laws won't permit that )

ChiTown, any way we could see the compound from Google street view?

Sure just use street view and follow his direction. One block north of Grand on Racine.

Chitown, Not many sons went into the Outfit. Only a few. It was more RELATIVES than sons. If you, and in particular, Huron, want to make it a lot more than it was in reality, so be it.
The vast majority of Outfit guys did not want their sons to live the same life as them, take it from ME. If anybody argues differently, they are only being Fanboys not dealing with reality.

Some people are Delusion about the Outfift its SAD!

Sorry, but that just isn't true. It has nothing to do with fan boy ism. I acknowledged that it wasn't as prevalent as in NY, but it was quite common & There is just no denying that.

The Outfit has very, very little in common with the wheezing detroit family.

Regarding the Boomerang, I don't know if it necessarily replaced it. Joey L opened the HSAC in 1972. There were/are MANY social clubs in the Patch, but the HSAC was closest to Lombardo's home. It's always been a popular one for them, and now is the most popular.

The Cozzo compound is still a destination for the GAC. They're in & out of the entrance on Racine all the time. What a fucking fortress that place is. It's behind Vinnies sub shop (some of the best sandwiches in the city fyi).

However, if you're really looking to run into that crew, just hang out @ the Burger Baron during the afternoon lol....

I'm gonna go there and ask them their advice on how to best beat someone with a baseball bat.

"Do you start at the ankles or the knees? You're the experts."

Since when did 'The Patch' become associated with Grand Ave?
The Patch was Taylor St. Giancana would be very upset with you!LOL.

No shit...always wondered what the wall with the flag behind it was.
Its right by the bar Mahoney's and not too far from the auto repair
shop. I had read somewhere that Burger Baron is a spot as well...it's
literally a block and a half from me. Nice place to buy a quick six
pack if needed!

How active are they now..is Joe Kong retired now? Is Ablie Vena now the
head of the West Side Crew?