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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727086
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Does anyone have a photo of Inendino?

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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727117
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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727126
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Is anyone even gonna care about this crap once DiFronzo is gone?

The only living gangsters I find remotely interesting are Lumbo, DiFronzo and Marcello.

Most of the rest strike me as third rate clowns who wouldn't be changing tires on work cars in the old days and have no real meaningful connection to the powerful entity that once existed.

As far as I can tell, for me, personally, once the above three guys are gone I probably won't be any more interested in the present Outfit than I am, say, organized crime in Cleveland, which is to say not at all.

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Well I'm sure all the current powerbrokers in the Outfit from Solly D to Jimmy I will be upset to learn you are no longer a fan.

Jimmy I is a multimillionaire who lives comfortably and stays out of the limelight like most Chicago mobsters. He's been around since the 1950s and has worked with everyone from Joe B to Harry Aleman to Turk to Frank Calabrese.

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A far cry from the old days


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727140
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Lumbo, difronzo, & marcello are undoubtedly three of the very least interesting characters regarding the Outfit. Marcello is the only one out of the three you stated that is worth any interest these days whatsoever. What the hell are you even insinuating? That Jimmy fucking Inendino & Solly D are nobodies? I don't even... .....

The Outfit isn't going anywhere. It never went anywhere. They're doing the same thing they did to the 1st Ward to the western/southwestern suburbs.

The big thing that people don't understand is That the Chicago Outfit still functions as a SECRET SOCIETY. In Philly & NY it is well known in the press, in popular culture, guys let their nuts hang out like idiots. Apart from a few major hiccups (the calabrese clowns, etc), the Outfit is still largely shrouded in mystery. This doesn't mean that they're gone, it means these guys are great at What They do & show Chicago heart & loyalty.

Stay on topic.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Well I'm sure all the current powerbrokers in the Outfit from Solly D to Jimmy I will be upset to learn you are no longer a fan.

Jimmy I is a multimillionaire who lives comfortably and stays out of the limelight like most Chicago mobsters. He's been around since the 1950s and has worked with everyone from Joe B to Harry Aleman to Turk to Frank Calabrese.


Never been a fan.

Yeah, those guys have done a real bang up job.

The Outfit at one time was an extremely powerful organization, preposterously powerful, really. It may have been vile but it was undeniably powerful.

Today it's basically the equivalent of a bunch of fifth rate hubcap thieves.

So saying the above people are "power brokers" is like saying the manager of a fried chicken stand is a "mover and shaker" in the restaurant industry by comparison.

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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Lumbo, difronzo, & marcello are undoubtedly three of the very least interesting characters regarding the Outfit. Marcello is the only one out of the three you stated that is worth any interest these days whatsoever. What the hell are you even insinuating? That Jimmy fucking Inendino & Solly D are nobodies? I don't even... .....

The Outfit isn't going anywhere. It never went anywhere. They're doing the same thing they did to the 1st Ward to the western/southwestern suburbs.

The big thing that people don't understand is That the Chicago Outfit still functions as a SECRET SOCIETY. In Philly & NY it is well known in the press, in popular culture, guys let their nuts hang out like idiots. Apart from a few major hiccups (the calabrese clowns, etc), the Outfit is still largely shrouded in mystery. This doesn't mean that they're gone, it means these guys are great at What They do & show Chicago heart & loyalty.

Stay on topic.


You are delusional. And I would bet 10-1 you are a poster who has previously been banned from this board under a different name.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Well I'm sure all the current powerbrokers in the Outfit from Solly D to Jimmy I will be upset to learn you are no longer a fan.

Jimmy I is a multimillionaire who lives comfortably and stays out of the limelight like most Chicago mobsters. He's been around since the 1950s and has worked with everyone from Joe B to Harry Aleman to Turk to Frank Calabrese.


Everything This guy said.

JI is absolutely devastated that some pedestrian forum poster isn't a "fan" of his lol.

Difronzo was never half the gangster that Jimmy I & Solly D were, by the way.

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"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"

I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.

Fosco, is That you??

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: jonnynonos] #727148
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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Is anyone even gonna care about this crap once DiFronzo is gone?

The only living gangsters I find remotely interesting are Lumbo, DiFronzo and Marcello.

Most of the rest strike me as third rate clowns who wouldn't be changing tires on work cars in the old days and have no real meaningful connection to the powerful entity that once existed. Jimmy I may be many things -- an extortionist, a murderer, a killer - but he is no clown. The Outfit is a shadow of its former self and I think Ivy League is pretty well on point with his posts on this site - but Inendino has MUCH respect on the street and is smart enough to keep himself behind the scenes while people like Joe Fosco and Chuck Goudie go on and on about BOSS JOHN DIFRONZO. Mike Sarno was never a boss -- he is a frightening human being lol but is just a made guy who had a crew of associates working for him. He was never the Boss of Cicero, Chicago, or anything for that matter...These Outfit postings will get pretty interesting when DiFronzo is no longer around though. I think things will change and some muscle flexing may occur on the streets --not to the level of places like Philly in the 90's, but The Outfit won't go quietly into that good night

As far as I can tell, for me, personally, once the above three guys are gone I probably won't be any more interested in the present Outfit than I am, say, organized crime in Cleveland, which is to say not at all.
DiFronzo most definitely makes things intriguing. Never before has a sitting boss retreated as he has and never has one BEEN able to retreat as he has. Correctly, knowledgeable posters like Ivy and Chicago will tell you this is part due to weakness and the inability of Cicero/26th St to do much of anything about it. Even if they did, though, it wouldn't be a smart move whether or not DiFronzo is a dry snitch. The Outfit has spent so many years trying to hide in the shadows again the last 20 years but a move on DiFronzo but put them right back in the crosshairs of the Federal Government. It does make for an interesting discussion, though...:)

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #727151
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"

I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.

Fosco, is That you??


Relax Riccobene's.

You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want.

My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days.

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No one is saying the Outfit is as powerful as it once was. But difronzo is not all that interesting of a character. Cicero & Chinatown don't have anything against him, Jimmy & Solly love the DiFronzos & Marco, There is no bad blood there. Maybe from some of the bone headed younger guys, but none from the southside brass. Why would They want to harm anyone from elmwood? Difronzo more or less handed the Outfit street rackets over to them & gave him his blessing. Guys from elmwood, grand, Chinatown, AND Cicero are seen at parties & banquets together frequently, there is no hatred or ill will there. Jimmy I is close with Marco & Johnny & vice versa. Elmwood just doesn't want to be associated with street rackets anymore. And why would they? Look what they're doing with the food industry, etc. They graduated.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"

I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.

Fosco, is That you??


Relax Riccobene's.

You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want.

My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days.


Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it....

Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television.

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Are you a made guy? With your deep insider knowledge, it's a wonder the FBI doesn't have you on speed dial.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #727171
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"

I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.

Fosco, is That you??


Relax Riccobene's.

You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want.

My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days.


Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it....

Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television.
Inendino is roughly 15 years younger than DiFronzo-not just 6 years. Yes the Southside brass may not have any bad blood NOW, but don't you feel it's quite possible that when Johnny dies that they will try to arm his family for pieces of all those legit businesses and the profits from the offshore casinos??? GREED is what rules in that world-nothing else. Ricca's son got ripped off and Angelo LaPietra's house was about to be burglarized do you REALLY feel that the ill-gotten gains of John Difronzo will be safe????

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Originally Posted By: 12thStreet
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"

I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.

Fosco, is That you??


Relax Riccobene's.

You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want.

My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days.


Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it....

Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television.
Inendino is roughly 15 years younger than DiFronzo-not just 6 years. Yes the Southside brass may not have any bad blood NOW, but don't you feel it's quite possible that when Johnny dies that they will try to arm his family for pieces of all those legit businesses and the profits from the offshore casinos??? GREED is what rules in that world-nothing else. Ricca's son got ripped off and Angelo LaPietra's house was about to be burglarized do you REALLY feel that the ill-gotten gains of John Difronzo will be safe????


The difronzos & co Are constructing their legitimate empire in a way Where arming it up will not be So easy. Also, don't think They don't have people in line to take over interests once they're gone.

Also, you cannot compare some old has been farts with nothing to lose trying to rob a dead guy's house with what the difronzos have built. I doubt Cicero would just walk into marianos/TFF/D&P headquarters & just announce that ownership has changed hands LOL. You never know, but it would be a lot more elaborate than that.

The point is, there is no present beef between EP & Cicero. Everyone gets along just fine & congregates together like they always have.

This was a great thread on Jimmy I & modern Cicero that got unfortunately got derailed. Lets get back on track, I'm curious to hear Chicago contribute more on JI.

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And yes, you're correct on JI only being 70 years old. That Was my mistake. Regardless, he was from (roughly) the same era as guys older than him. And the guy was partners with Harry Aleman, to refer to Jimmy I as a nobody or "hubcap thief" is ignorant & preposterous to say the least.

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Hate to burst your bubble, but DiFronzo is already gone. He's been retired for years, living off his legit money. The old mob is gone, replaced by a new generation. The same happened in New york. Gigante, Gambino, Salerno, Corallo and the rest are gone. Nobody lives forever, except Sonny Franzese

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Jimmy I is the real deal, he goe's back to the wild bunch, harry aleman and jimmy I done alot of work together, there is alot of interesting guys in chicago, just because u don't read about them dose'nt mean thier not there


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I don't think hubcap thieves have houses in Burr Ridge, Oak Brook, Barrington, Lake Geneva, and Marco Island. How did Jimmy I. fit into the Butchie/Bors beef?

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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts

I don't think hubcap thieves have houses in Burr Ridge, Oak Brook, Barrington, Lake Geneva, and Marco Island. How did Jimmy I. fit into the Butchie/Bors beef?
I dunno if he did fit in Fried Ravioli Farts ( feels weird addressing somebody by that name - lol ) I think that beef was in the late 70's while Jimmy was in the joint..Maybe Chicago or another poster could answer that.

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If my understanding is correct, it seems as though DiFronzo genuinely has no role anymore in Outfit affairs. Clearly, he holds the clout to insert himself in what is going on if he wants based upon his power, wealth and history. My question is this: Do you guys think that the true Outfit players (those actually involved in illegal activity) pay DiFronzo any tribute at all? If not, then it seems as though the Cicero crew is really what we all understand as the Outfit. If this is the case, who is at the top of the Outfit. Which of those people mentioned (in prison or out) is the actual boss?


Unless law enforcement and/or a turncoat talked specifically on the issue, there's obviously no way we could know. But I wouldn't be surprised if DiFronzo doesn't take anything from anyone other than the close guy immediately around him. He's already got plenty of money anyway. So why take the risk of accepting tribute from the other crews?

And you hit on something I've mentioned before. Back in 2007, the FBI said the Outfit was being run in "northern and southern sections." In 2011, the FBI said the Outfit was "down to two or three crews." In hindsight, this all makes sense. The northern section is obviously DiFronzo's Elmwood Park crew - which is basically legit and quasi-legit now. The southern section appears to be the Melrose Park and South Side crews, which are more what many think of when it comes to the Chicago mob. Grand Avenue appears to be defunct. I think I recall Chicago saying what was left of it was absorbed by Elmwood Park.

Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Mike Sarno was never a boss -- he is a frightening human being lol but is just a made guy who had a crew of associates working for him. He was never the Boss of Cicero, Chicago, or anything for that matter...These Outfit postings will get pretty interesting when DiFronzo is no longer around though.


If you mean official boss, no. But Sarno was the acting boss, just like Marcello was before him.

Originally Posted By: jonnynonos


Yeah, those guys have done a real bang up job.

The Outfit at one time was an extremely powerful organization, preposterously powerful, really. It may have been vile but it was undeniably powerful.

Today it's basically the equivalent of a bunch of fifth rate hubcap thieves.


While you're wise to see through ChiTown's rah rah propaganda, the Outfit is still considered a viable family. It's just one of the few remaining smaller families outside New York, i.e. more on par with New England or Philadelphia.


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Sarno was a front boss. He was a "beard" for Jimmy Inendino. Respect your posts much, Ivy but respectfully disagree. Now we can debate "acting boss" vs "front boss" etc. but in no way would I put Sarno in Marcello's category. Marcello was a true threat capable of solidifying things in what's left of the Outfit. Sarno was a "dem,dese, and dose" kinda guy only known for his brutality and not for his brains. Am curious to hear your take on Inendino though, Ivy. Am amused by some of the rah rah bullshit though on some posts and am shaking my head. We're talking about MURDERERS, all, not a f*cking football team...

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Has anyone who posts on this forum been to Melrose Park in the last few years. It is about Italian as Guadalajara.

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Originally Posted By: 12thStreet
Sarno was a front boss. He was a "beard" for Jimmy Inendino. Respect your posts much, Ivy but respectfully disagree. Now we can debate "acting boss" vs "front boss" etc. but in no way would I put Sarno in Marcello's category. Marcello was a true threat capable of solidifying things in what's left of the Outfit. Sarno was a "dem,dese, and dose" kinda guy only known for his brutality and not for his brains. Am curious to hear your take on Inendino though, Ivy. Am amused by some of the rah rah bullshit though on some posts and am shaking my head. We're talking about MURDERERS, all, not a f*cking football team...


Well, the FBI considered Sarno the acting boss. Whether he was a front for Inendino or anyone else, I don't know. All I know about Inendino, at least as far as recent years go, is his involvement back in the 2001 Cicero insurance case and a news piece they did a while back about him operating out of a local currency exchange.


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Re: Today's Outfit [Re: jonnynonos] #727239
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Melrose Park and Cicero Hispanics are everywhere out there.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Today's Outfit [Re: 12thStreet] #727243
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Melrose is probably 20 to 25 percent Italian and the rest is Mexican. It's a shame, another good neighborhood that changed. And grave ave is not defunct, still many active guys around.

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