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Mousie gets 16 years #725603
07/11/13 01:16 PM
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The last link is most recent

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130711_Feds__Mousie_has_fangs.html

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/07/prosecutors-want-20-years-for-mob.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130712_Mob_underboss_gets_nearly_16_years_in_prison.html

This whole trial was silly. Ive never been a mob groupie but the govermenent won't rest until the mob is done. Instead of going after some real criminals...especially in Philly.

Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725607
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He gets 16 years for no violent crimes the same day that Massino walks free. Doesn't seem fair.

How much time has he served already? Any chance of early parole?

Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725613
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16 years for poker machines gambling loansharking. But if you pay the government for those things it's perfectly fine!

Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725616
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poor bastard


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725617
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you think those champagne glasses are still cold?


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725620
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He received 16 years because he's a career criminal with multiple felony convictions. Let's call a spade a spade here. Prior convictions have always come into play during sentencing. Let's stop with the whole "he got 16 years for gambling" bs. Mousie's no angel and had this coming.

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Not saying he's an angel but it's pretty hypocritical. Especially how Massino just got out after only serving 10 years for 8 murders. Makes a lot of sense!

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Massino cooperated, Massimino didnt. If Massimino offered to give up the goods on Ligambi and Merlino he'd be out in a year. He knows it. Doubt he'd do it, but thats how the game works.

Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725623
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You beat me to it tjonezee,that's exactly right.It sounds like everybody is saying Massino got 10 years for 8 murders when that's not the case.Like you said he gives somebody up he walks plain and simple.His lawyers wanted 4-6 yrs. if that was the case with the 2 yrs. and 2 mths.already served he would be out by this time next yr.His rap sheet is way too long for that.

Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725625
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The game is a joke. The state condones a world where you rat out your friends like a little fa***t motherfucker than do your time like a fuckin man.


Frank Costello: Fucking rats. It's wearing me thin. Mr. French: Francis, it's a nation of fucking rats.
Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725626
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Whether thats true or not, these guys know how it works when they get involved. And not for nothing, but Massimino probably added a couple years to his sentence by acting like a jerkoff in front of the judge throughout the trial. A dose of humility would have served him better.

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Let's not forget this is the mob we are talking about here. Guys are killed by their friends and even by their relatives at times. So acting like there is honor involved with the mob is something which is, has, and always will be something that is just fantasy.


"Snakes... Snakes... I don't know no Snakes."
Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725629
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Fuck that. If you were facing 20 for video poker machines you might be possessing a little bitterness towards the state. Take away the rico, take away the vowel at this man's last name? 16 months tops.

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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725633
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Originally Posted By: spmob
The last link is most recent

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130711_Feds__Mousie_has_fangs.html

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/07/prosecutors-want-20-years-for-mob.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130712_Mob_underboss_gets_nearly_16_years_in_prison.html

This whole trial was silly. Ive never been a mob groupie but the govermenent won't rest until the mob is done. Instead of going after some real criminals...especially in Philly.



do you know how many drug dealers that nobody in his neighborhood even knew got close to or way more than 16 years for having less than 400$ worth of boy or girl?

that ain't even a smidget of a fraction of the amount of money mousie made in his criminal career. he actually got off light if we're being realistic and if he's guilty of said crimes

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Originally Posted By: vinnietoothpicks26
Fuck that. If you were facing 20 for video poker machines you might be possessing a little bitterness towards the state. Take away the rico, take away the vowel at this man's last name? 16 months tops.


With 6 prior felony convictions? lol. Stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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So you think a guy with 6 felonies who gets charged iwth operating a few joke poker machines would get 16 years?


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He's the #2 guy in the mob. Stop with the mock outrage. I'm not surprised even a little.

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OH yes. I forgot. The ALL POWERFUL number 2 in the ALL POWERFUL PHILLY mafia; with its 20 members, 10 of whom are over 70. Yes yes, terrible indeed.


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: tjonezee] #725645
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Originally Posted By: tjonezee
He received 16 years because he's a career criminal with multiple felony convictions. Let's call a spade a spade here. Prior convictions have always come into play during sentencing. Let's stop with the whole "he got 16 years for gambling" bs. Mousie's no angel and had this coming.


Prior convictions should not be considered in sentencing.
If a criminal is incarcerated for a crime and serves his time then he should be considered punished and his debt paid to society.
Considering precious transgressions for current sentencing (which this judge did) is repunishing him for crimes he has already paid his due. In effect punishing him twice.

Lets call a spade a spade: he was convicted on gambling (poker machines). 16yrs is a joke.


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725647
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Lets be honest, only suckers play fair! There's a war going on in the streets and both sides are out for blood, if he would have caught that judge in his world he would have played him for a dope too, people do more crying on here than the one's who actually gets locked up


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725648
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What were the convictions for? More gambling related felonies? When it comes to the mob, j-walking is a felony.

The point is that's moronic that we are still charging people with gambling related charges. On one side of the state's mouth- it hands out felonies, on the other, it runs the biggest numbers and lottery rackets in the world. Shit I see commericals for these horrific, life-destroying gambling games- but they are run by the state itself. I guess the lesson is that state doesn't want competition.

This was a weak case, weak charges and a moronic sentencing. The FBI needs to be monitoring the psychos that commit crimes like boston and fort hood- and stop pretending its 1950s and we are dealing with MASSIVE conspiratorial crime syndicates. Philly is a fucking street gang.

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: 22
You beat me to it tjonezee,that's exactly right.It sounds like everybody is saying Massino got 10 years for 8 murders when that's not the case.Like you said he gives somebody up he walks plain and simple.His lawyers wanted 4-6 yrs. if that was the case with the 2 yrs. and 2 mths.already served he would be out by this time next yr.His rap sheet is way too long for that.


Yea, because as a society, we want mass/serial killers like Massino, Gaspipe and Sammy the Rat on the street. On the other hand, we are really worried about people providing services that have been offered and demanded since the beginning of humankind.


On the other hand, if gambling providers should be given 20 years- every state governor should go away for ever.

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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he should have took the plea


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Re: Mousie gets 16 years [Re: spmob] #725652
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Everybody keeps saying go after the real criminals,as far as I could see the prisons are full of them.I mean how many mob guys actually make up the population at federal or state prisons.I'd say barely a fraction and these prisons are full so there must be other criminals in there besides mob guys.So I guess they are locking up other criminals also.Also this thing where priors should not count.If me and you both get picked up for gambling and its your 15th arrest for that and my first,we should get the same sentence,something doesn't sound right there.

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+1 LittleNicky


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
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Priors do count they have laws called 3 strikes and career criminal, and for the people who says its only gambling??? What about the victims of gambling??? Those that are addicted to it, those that get beat up or killed for not paying a debt back, gambling and loansharks go hand and hand, the victims is the ones u should be worried about, not these guys, going to jail is a part of the job


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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Priors do count they have laws called 3 strikes and career criminal, and for the people who says its only gambling??? What about the victims of gambling??? Those that are addicted to it, those that get beat up or killed for not paying a debt back, gambling and loansharks go hand and hand, the victims is the ones u should be worried about, not these guys, going to jail is a part of the job


Victims of gambling? Are they like the victims of fast food, beer, cigs, the plethora of everyday decisions that many of us make because this is a free country that might not be good for us? God forbid people make ill advised decisions- they are not victims of anything but their limited mental capacity.

If you really feel this way- do you think EVERY state governor should go to prison for feeding this horrific gambling addiction (ie lottery, power ball, legalized gambling insitutions)

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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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You would think after 6 (at least one of which was for narcotics trafficking)felony convictions maybe he would have said enough is enough. The judge sees him for what he is; a repeat offender, hence the extended dentence. It works that way for everyone, not just so called mobsters. No one put a gun to his head and forced this lifestyle upon him. He knows the score. It's the price of doing business in his line of work.

Wait until Canalichio gets 12 years. Are we going to act surprised and outraged then?

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What exactly is mousie meant to have done? Realise the errors of his ways age 60, go back to university, study hard for 8years to become a doctor and age 68 start working at the local hospitals as an intern?

He's not exactly employable now is he?

Career criminal? Sure. But he's not got a fuck load of options now has he? That's why, when he pays his dues. He's PAID HIS DUES.

12 years aged 62 for gambling is long, hard and excessive.


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