do the new york mafia families make new initiates every year?

They certainly can, though I'm not sure all of them do every single year. But there's been enough known ceremonies in relatively recent years to show that they hold them regularly enough to maintain pretty steady membership levels.

that's why they have so many squeelers

they shouldn't make people to maintain steady membership

that means you're plugging people just so you can have 100 soldiers

Usually christmas time they will throw a bone to a few by having a ceremony. But, nowadays ceremonies are held to replace guys who have died. When the list is circulated it list the guy and year he passed and who will be replacing him. Keep in mind that the bigger the family the more guys will get starightened out. KC, Pittsburgh, Rochester make very few.

The NY families have more guys flip because they have so many more guys. And guys can rat whether they're made or not.

the springfield mass guy said he and another guy were made in august 2003 in the Bronx. some Colombo told 7 guys were made in 08 I think at foxwoods or Mohegan sun by deleo.

they have more guys because they make people to compete with other families

they would have less rats if they were more selective of who they plug

There may be some truth to this. It has the potential to invite more rats into the ranks but it also staves off attrition longer.

I think the Outfit has taken another approach, which would help to explain their relatively small membership numbers. Over the past 15 years or so, since the late 1990's, there have been several articles that talked about the Outfit intentionally downsizing by consolidating it's crews and streamlining it's operations. As the former Police Chief of Cook County said in one article, "You don't need 250 guys any more. Now you have a few dozen who can get by on gambling." In another article, organized crime expert Howard Abadinsky said, "When you have fantastically lucrative businesses like gambling, in which victims willingly participate and no one's getting beaten up or killed, it draws much less heat from law enforcement - no one's complaining. And when you're not shaking down every bookie or restaurant owner on every street corner, when you're not peddling drugs at the street level, you don't require nearly as many employees. That means each member makes more money. The Outfit is a business and they've learned that having a smaller core is good business."

I think all of the above is true. The only downside is that attrition will take it's toll that much quicker.

Since you don't live in Chicago or really know about the Outfit other than incomplete F.B.I. Reports, you would have no idea about attrition. The Outfit has actually become more old school than ever before and the new prospective men are people related by blood or marriage and are involved in white collar activity more and more every passing year. Your statements about attrition do not apply to Chicago because they have purposely gone a different direction. If you think it was hard to get made years ago in Chicago, it's even more difficult now. Attrition has very little if nothing to do with it.

Yeah, just because you live in Chicago, you know everything that happens in the Outfit.

That's like a guy who lives in Solntsevo neighborhood saying that he knows everything about Solntsevskaya.

polak vet i agree. it also makes him biased. (which is kind of obvious)

^^^^^^

I've seen plenty posters biased towards the east coast mafia

woof.

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Know more about it than you do. That's for sure after reading some of the dumb comments about attrition

And you're not biased towards New York? Watch Donnie Brasco Movie and you'll see how made guys really live in New York and how much they earn. You need a dose of reality about New York. And, too top it off, that was in the late 1970's when things were still good! Imagine how it is now in 2013. The Godfather is not New York in reality, Donnie Brasco is New York in reality.

You know less about ny than you do about chicago. And thats saying something bc YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT CHICAGO. You get everything from a bad movie. Worse than these guys that come on here whos basis of knowledge is the sopranos.

In chicago-there a rich guys, there are poor guys
In NY-there a rich guys, there are poor guys, there are just more

I dont give a fuck who your half ass connected bookie uncle is. If the chicago life is SOOOO great why arent you in a crew? The way you and chitown cheerlead for your hometown family, its clear you guys love the outfit beyond any level of anyone here... Why arent you in a crew then? They are so good! You will be so rich! There are no rats! There are thousands of soldiers making millions off of "white collar rackets"! The streets are paved with gold if your in the outfit! The amount of fanboy love you two show and chicago ass licking, and connected family, the only reason the two of u arent in a crew is your both fucking pussys. Nut up and prove me wrong tough guy. Fuck the outfit, fuck chitown, the fucking bears, pouty ass jay cutler, fuck all you. bunch of cocksuckers.

My My, such a temper. You need to control yourself better. Sit down, relax, and read the F.B.I. Documentary called ' Donnie Brasco'. It's the best F.B.I. Report ever done!

Wouldn't you want more made guys in NY because of the all the other families? Isn't your power in NY based on the size of your family, so having more made guys(thus making more guys) be an advantageous thing?

Guys, you REALLY have to stop this NY/Chicago shit. REALLY!!

i'm getting a big kick out of the constant "donnie brasco" references thrown out there as an insult to the ny mob. funny though, that the same people using that conveniently ingnore the untold truckloads of money brought in during that same time period in the bonnano family by galante and his heroin pipeline.

Yeah i know i actually enjoy reading local guys posts from other cities.I dont get y there is so much of this hatred towards eachother

I appreciate the guys from CT and boston. Even philly guys. Right now we have two outfit guys that have said dick as far as inside knowledge goes. If they werent such stuck up pricks that slam any other city but chicago. These guys will come on a ny thread and say "Oh boy, look at NY, all these rats! Wouldnt happen in chicago." Its fucking annoying. These guys know as much about rocket science as they do chicago outfit.

Same bullshit, different thread. And your bullshit isn't even original. You're like the 5th or 6th Chicago poster to come on this forum alone saying "You can't know anything about the Outfit unless you live here." It's such nonsense. I don't care who you are. 99% of everything any of us need to know, and do know, comes from the same public sources we all read.

Yes, the Outfit has intentionally downsized to maintain a lower profile, but if you think attrition isn't also a factor in that, you're living in fantasy land. Attrition is the #1 factor that has affected all the families, including Chicago. And if you look at the Outfit cases over the past decade, the standard mob rackets continue to be their bread and butter; at least the Melrose Park and South Side crews. The North Side is obviously more legit.



That you have to reference mob movies to make your point says it all. And you're the guy who was claiming the Outfit is the real life Corleone family.



Now you see what I've been dealing with for years now. While it's not all of them, there's just something about a lot of these Chicago guys. I've never been able to figure it out.

^agree 100%

scarpa was reporting in 87 88 99 they would make maybe 1 guy a month or 4 and it went on in on. he said when tommy shots was made he didn't give a location, that always made me think he never wanted to be a co-operating witness. the feds look for the x-mis time so change. I bet any day know 1 knows is best.

What's wrong? The truth hurts? Are you saying that Joe Pistone and the entire undercover deal never happened because it doesn't fit into your delusional belief about the New York Families. I don't hate the New York Mafia at all. You notice, I haven't said anything against the Genovese Family. No, I choose to believe the F.B.I. who basically exposed the Bonnano Family as not being very powerful and the other two smaller Families operated the same way. Most made guys did not have very much money and were struggling. That's what the Feds said in their book Donnie Brasco which was a huge undercover investigation. No, some of you new York Fan Boys don't want to accept reality given to you by the Feds. You guys only quote the Feds WHEN IT SERVES YOUR PURPOSE. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT HOW POWERFUL THE OTHER 3 SMALLER Families are in New York, remember all Sonny Black's made guys cracking open parking meters to get some money. That should be your reality.

PP, No, absolutely not. Bigger doesn't mean better. IT'S QUALITY that you want, NOT quantity! What good is it to have a bunch of made members, half of whom are rat informers or are almost starving. What good is it?

SC, Did you see what Skinny wrote earlier calling Chicago guys 'Cocksuckers'? Is that permissible on your Blogs? Are you not going to at least reprimand him? I never called anybody those kind of names and you reprimanded me and banned me for one week. I think this skinny guy is a little bit of an angry homophobic temper tantrum person who went nuts because I quoted an F.B.I. Book called Donnie Brasco just like a couple of these other posters quote Fed Reports. I didn't make up the whole Joe Pistone undercover thing. That's what really happened. I don't see why a guy named Skinny would get so bent out of shape over an F.B.I. Report he didn't like? Does the truth hurt that bad? Why would he take it so personally? I can't believe you didn't reprimand him. Even Ivy, who several people have argued with in the past, Including me, would never use such foul language. What is wrong with this guy named Skinny?

It's probably because you post something against NY in every thread. You mention in every thread that NY has had a lot of informants and that there was a movie about 1 crew in 1 family in the 70s that weren't doing to well . I like your posts related to Chicago but i take them lightly just as i do people who talk about their NY street knowledge. But your recent posts haven't broke the opinions of alot of members of these forums about Chicago posters imo.