If they go to Hawthorne they more than likely rent out a private room. If they go to Arlington the same thing.

Point taken, i wasn't trying to argue. Like i said it's nice to have another Chicago poster. I just know what you hear here and there, but it's most definity possiable given what you just said that he's active. The 3 years wasn't really shit IMO but he also isn't a worker huh?

Most who do time refusing to talk (when they have the option to walk away by talking) remain active. Otherwise what is the point of sacrificing 3 years of your life?

Yeah, well i know when he was on he was stacking, so idk like I said im just going on what you here around town. I also heard everything for the burbs is run outta CD'S restraunt in Des plains, after Marco and his brother got out everybody said Marco got everything but i think he gave it to Tony and that's how Carl ended up working the northen suburbs but thats a fucking cash cow, you heard anything along those lines. It's really 2 spots in Des Plains.

haha Carl Dote this fat fuck?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtr1twE35s

I know the Dote's are both with Marco still. Danny's is actually a pretty solid place to eat. Carl's wife runs the place but Tony is always there and they have birthday parties for everyone from Vito Salamone to Joe DeVita.

I would assume they still has Des Plaines locked up because the Mayor publicly endorsed Dote's restaurant when it moved-in and attended the opening party along with Jim Prandini who just retired as police chief.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20100328/news/303289961/print/

Actually Danny's is his place in Melrose Park right? Cuzzin's is the place in Des Plaines.

Yeah Danny's deli in Melrose Park, they changed the name to Cugino's from Cuzzin's and i think it's a new owner on paper but you still see the regular's there, they also got a another in Orland but i know Des Plains is the spot if they know you. They got the best Eggplant Rotolo ever.

Whats your guys favorite breaded steak place in the city of Chicago?

who the hell eats breaded steak

Petey Loves a Breaded Steak!

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You have never had one? They are great.

I thought you meant like country fried steak which is disgusting.
I prefer steak medium and with no sauce or anything on it.

Where did you find that photo and when was it taken? Was Pete sick or something?

country fried steak is great, a nice cream gravy just seals the deal! what you have gotta understand is that a "chicken fried steak" is usually nothing more than a pounded piece of top sirloin, a real cheap and tough cut of meat. try eating a top round steak medium rare and your jaw will hurt the next day from all of the chewing!

A chef AND a West Virginia boy at heart. Don't ever fuck with my man FF when it comes to all American southern fare (which for the record I LOVE) .

thanks for the backing, and now i know where to come crawling to if i ever need some affordable(i mean free ) housing if shit ever gets bad! west virginia isn't really known for their country fried steak, its fair to say that their national dish would be hotdogs. they also have a fair # of great bbq joints, try fat boys pork palace if you're ever anywhere near harrisonburg va, as its just over the mountain in w. va. they make a geat pulled pork, as well as a great breakfast, the biggest and best pancakes i've ever had in my life!

Interesting

well I don't know the names but access to new slot machines + techs + transports across the great lakes = money.
The machines are rented out by wkly payments plus the techs charge are alot of money to fix the slot machines. The outfit has a million ways to make money.
plus if a chicken a can run the operation you gotta system. Montreal and other cities don't have a tradition in these enterprises. point is get caught go to jail. woik wit chicago you be ok. chicago is alive and well.

yeah because 15 people ain't trying to eat off the same plate

Roemer was an Outfit wannabe. His book focused way too much on himself and his imaginary lover, Tony Accardo. He didn't like Sam Giancana, Sam DeStefano & Tony Spilotro because they weren't afraid of him and basically told him to go fuck himself right to his face. Because of that, he distorts the truth about these men for a PERSONAL reason. Sam Giancana never took orders from Accardo. He did not understand the structure of the Outfit at all. He said the Outfit had 300 made guys in the 1960's! He's crazy. Nowhere near that number. Maybe 75 guys and 225 soldiers. even that seems a bit high. I guess he was counting all the soldiers as made guys and thought the structure was like New York. I personally hated his books and didn't think they were as accurate as they should be. He also said Sam DeStefano was not made because he was too crazy to be made. Roemer got this information from DeStefano himself. Of Course DeStefano was going to say he wasn't made. What did Roemer expect? DeStefano would have tortured and killed Roemer had Giancana & Ricca told him to do so. Dyno (DeStefano) would have enjoyed every minute of it. Dyno killed his own brother because of drugs. Giancana gave him the okay and he did it. DeStefano was a very dangerous man. He was 100% made and belonged to Ricca & Giancana. They also financed his huge Loan Sharking Franchise.

The Colombos are not 4 times the size of Chicago. If you add the soldiers into it, they are about the same size. The soldiers in Chicago are not made guys, that's why the number of made guys is small in Chicago which is a good thing.

You your self says the Outfit has about 40 made men and 120 associates. While i've seen estimates that the Colombos have 100 made men and 500 associates which would mean they are about 4 or maybe 3 times bigger.

No, I said the Outfit has 40 made men, 120 soldiers, and several hundred associates. In Chicago, Soldiers and Associates are two different things in Chicago. The confusing difference is simply this one big point. In New York, soldiers are made guys. In Chicago, soldiers are not made guys. If you were to add up the made guys and soldiers in Chicago, then add the associates, the grand total would be very similar to one of the 3 smaller New York Families.

The Outfit is still one unit. Cicero answers to Elmwood Park on EVERYTHING.

40 made men, 120 soldiers & several hundred associates.

I think the confusion here is that "associate" means two different things. A Chicago soldier is the same as a New York associate. So what's an associate in Chicago? People who do business with the Outfit but don't work for it full-time like soldiers do. In Chicago soldiers include both Italians and non-Italians, the difference there is that the Italians at least have the potential to become "made men" while the non-Italians don't. In the FBI charts for Chicago where they call them "non-member associates" that means both soldiers and associates. I think they just wanted to be consistent for the rest of the country.

It seems to me though that certain guys like Jack Guzik, Murray Humphreys and Gus Alex were more than soldiers, they were more like crew bosses, people who were in administration. There's a recording of Humphreys giving John Rosselli an order and Rosselli didn't want to listen to him since he wasn't a made guy. If I recall, Accardo or Ricca backed up Hump and Rosselli had to do what he said.

The fbi has extensive files on Humphreys. He was a very smart man who gave valuable advice to Outfit leaders. I know the file you're talking about but I can't remember exactly what was said; I believe Hump gave Roselli some strong suggestions.

Ricca and Accardo both appeared to value Hump's advice, and many times after a decision was made, they (Accardo & Ricca) regretted not doing what Hump suggested.

When Accardo moved into the big "mansion," Hump told him he would "stick out like a sore thumb." Later Accardo said he should have listened to Hump.

Hump couldn't move to the top position because he was not Italian. But he was included in the top echelon of the Outfit and was involved in major decisions. Diversity was another strong suite of The Outfit.

Faithful1, 100% correct. Very good.

Posted this in the other outfit thread, but it should of been in here.

Does the outfit have any modern day connections/rackets/interaction with the families in nyc, philly, new england?

Here we go again with the Chicago is different mumbo jumbo.

People can come up with any terms they like, even if there is little to no basis for it, in order to inflate things. Bottom line, in 2007 the FBI cited 28 made members and a little over 100 associates. So, perhaps a total manpower of about 150.

The latest estimates for the Colombo family in New York is about 100 made members and 500 associates. So, about a total manpower of 600.

I personally don't put a whole lot of stock in associate estimates but, if we're comparing apples to apples, the Colombos would be 4x the size of the Chicago mob today.