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Saviano: "The cocaine? We must legalize it » #710142
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http://www.corriere.it/cultura/13_aprile...a004da2ea.shtml


Saviano: "The cocaine? We must legalize it »
And reveals: "In the U.S., I lived under a false identity"

The author of "Zero Zero Zero": "From the narcos money to the banks'

In the thanks that closes his latest book, Zero Zero Zero, Roberto Saviano mentions such David Dannon "that for six months, he make me fells to be another person, free and almost happy." Since the autumn of 2006, when the success of Gomorrah has become his malediction, Saviano living under police protection. Protection which is a prison, because it precludes any possibility of living a normal life, eating a pizza, watch a match at the stadium, starting a family. David Dannon is none other than the same Saviano, the identity that the writer has
put in six months of true life that is granted in the United States: "I ​​was able to attend parties, go to university, walk down the street without fear - says now -. These days have been important to remember that a freedom is possible "

THE INVESTIGATION - In the United States Saviano began to investigate the cocaine universe . An investigation that soon for him has turned into an obsession: "I have continued to store information and material on cocaine. I came to compose word 600 pages, over 800 for a book. Then we had to cut. But I have had to rip out of hand, I would have continued to try, try, try. "The truth is reflected on the bottom of the abyss. Saviano digs, brings to light, and connects the facts. Through the alkaloid of the cocaine reads the world. The mechanism of
financial markets and the economic strategies of countries, multinational corporations and the banks, they remain entangled in the web of the drug: "The coke is the goods of the goods, drug trafficking is the largest company in the world - he explains -. Antonio Maria Costa, head of the United Nations drug office, in 2008, said: the income of drug trafficking have served to save many of the European banks. No one has denied it. The reality is that Europe is perfect for recycling. The euro, the cut from 500 in particular, is the narco currency
par excellence. "

LEGALIZATION - For Saviano drug trafficking can be defeated in only one way: "Legalization is the only way - says -. Faced with the billions that cocaine moves in the world there is no alternative. Sure it has a social cost important, but we must consider that we are talking about a round of illegal business that exceeds 300 billion in revenue and pollutes the entire world economy. "Zero Zero Zero, to be precise Triple Cero, was the nickname given to Salvatore Mancuso, head of the Colombian paramilitaries (AUC) and big piece of the drug world.

The book tells his story and that of the main Colombian and Mexican drug traffickers, we reconstruct the battles between the cartels and the incredible ferocity of killers are able to torture the DEA agent Kiki Camarena, thrusting a steel screw in the skull, then screwed with sadism until he lost consciousness from the pain. Written as a travel diary at the end of human misery, Zero Zero Zero tells the thousand faces of criminal
violence, the innocent victims, torture, mutilation inflicted on those who rebel.


THE PRISON OF ESCORT - 2310 days, 38 thousand hours. Saviano brings the bill of his "imprisonment" with anguish that emerges from many of the pages of his latest book. "When can I say free? - Sighs - Who knows, maybe when the process will end with two of the most notorious boss of the Camorra. "In the meantime, he lives his work as a mission. And is little wonder that after seven years the focus on the issues reported with Gomorrah is diminished. "The fault is of the media," he says, "as well as politics. In the last election campaign no one has talked about the mafia. "He continues to do so. In fact it never stopped, even if, at some point, perhaps he would have agreed. "Now I spend my time to clear the check boxes on the calendar. Many live my own condition, you should break up with the need for military defense, and to feel safe people regardless of what they do, from what they say or write. "

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I can understand the logic, but not agree with it. From the moral point of view legalizing it is just wrong. Why not legalize murder for hire as well then?


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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
I can understand the logic, but not agree with it. From the moral point of view legalizing it is just wrong. Why not legalize murder for hire as well then?


Because one involves a crime against the rights of others (ie the right to live), and one is victimless affair where someone chooses to put a chemical in their body.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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300 billions in revenue? even all the drugs combined arent even close to
coke traffick in the biggest market europe and the states is 25 billions at most

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I just picked up Saviano's book GOMORRAH. About the Camorra obviously...hope it's good

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Originally Posted By: southend
I just picked up Saviano's book GOMORRAH. About the Camorra obviously...hope it's good


About time.

Good? It is.

Once you're done with it check Matteo Garrone's movie adaptation.

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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

Once you're done with it check Matteo Garrone's movie adaptation.

I liked the book, but the movie seemed boring to me. In my opinion, it just doesn't show the power of the camorra, they seem just like small-time criminals in the movie, even though ferocious ones.


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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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At exactly the 15:00 mark, can anyone tell me the name of the song the boys are dancing around to? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJguYpqSBM


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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
doesn't show the power of the camorra

How so?

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Thanks, sittite, but I've looked thru the soundtrack and it's not any of those.
I'm wondering if someone listens to the song and recognizes it for me.


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Originally Posted By: carmela
At exactly the 15:00 mark, can anyone tell me the name of the song the boys are dancing around to? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJguYpqSBM


Thanks for posting i didn't know this was on youtube and was going to buy it.

I was looking through some of the songs and i'm probably wrong but is this the song? Starting at about 1:30 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6tKeV2wAU

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That one's wrong i found it lol about 40 seconds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJPlWf1yh4

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Originally Posted By: Camarel
That one's wrong i found it lol about 40 seconds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJPlWf1yh4


Ah YES! Finally. Thank you so much Camarel!!!!!

Apologies to sittite, it was on the soundtrack after all. blush


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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Camarel
That one's wrong i found it lol about 40 seconds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktJPlWf1yh4


Ah YES! Finally. Thank you so much Camarel!!!!!

Apologies to sittite, it was on the soundtrack after all. blush


No problem. Repayment for the Gomorrah link tongue

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This is why I'm against legalizing marijuana. After that, we'll have this kind of nonsense - people advocating for the legalization of hard drugs. Look at the damage legalized alcohol and tobacco do to society. Can you imagine what legalized cocaine, heroin, or meth would do?


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time ago I read an article that spoke of certain places where, for example, heroin addicts, could take drugs, assisted by medical personnel after used syringes were delivered to doctors so that if there was the overdose the drug addict was saved , and not were left around used syringes, which could contain various diseases including HIV.
I support the legalization of cocaine but not other drugs, or because the cocaine generates too much money, that legalizing it could take a great resource for organized crime.
I also support the legalization of prostitution and gambling

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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples

I support the legalization of cocaine but not other drugs, or because the cocaine generates too much money, that legalizing it could take a great resource for organized crime.
I also support the legalization of prostitution and gambling

I thought organized crime is considered a "bad" thing for the very reason they deal in illegal and immoral things like drugs, prostitution etc (apart from murder). If we legalize it, that ruins the whole point to fight it, it's as if we just declared them "legitimate businessmen". Also, I think morality is a very important thing, legalizing prostitution is just a surrender to the corruption of society, the often used "freedom" argument doesn't really justify it.
It's good though that at least nobody is for legalizing violent crimes like murder, because somebody might think that them staying illegal stands in the way of somebody's "freedom" too.


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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Dwalin2011, morality is a good thing, but pragmatism is much better.
By legalizing prostitution are removed the girls from the streets, removing a racket criminal organizations, same thing for gambling, and the legalization of soft drugs. So the state can get more money by taxing these activities so-called'' vicious''. And lower the taxes imposed on all citizens without distinction. Then if anyone is puritan, may very well,don't fuck with the whores ,don't gamble, don't drink alcohol or coffee.

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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Dwalin2011, morality is a good thing, but pragmatism is much better.
By legalizing prostitution are removed the girls from the streets, removing a racket criminal organizations, same thing for gambling, and the legalization of soft drugs. So the state can get more money by taxing these activities so-called'' vicious''. And lower the taxes imposed on all citizens without distinction. Then if anyone is puritan, may very well,don't fuck with the whores ,don't gamble, don't drink alcohol or coffee.

But what's the point of taking rackets away from crime if we legalize most of them? If we legalize drugs, prostitution and gambling, then what remains apart from murder? Fraud and extortion? I don't think that legalizing things that are immoral and can lead to people's deaths like drugs just to fight financial crimes is worth it.
And cocaine isn't exactly a "soft" drug.

By the way, what's wrong with coffee? I don't drink it, but not because I think it's immoral, I just don't like the taste.

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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
time ago I read an article that spoke of certain places where, for example, heroin addicts, could take drugs, assisted by medical personnel after used syringes were delivered to doctors so that if there was the overdose the drug addict was saved , and not were left around used syringes, which could contain various diseases including HIV...

As far as Italy is concern they did what you're saying in Turin (Italy's Heroin Capital in the '80s and '90s), but the doctors weren't just giving them drugs...they were slowly bringing them to use safer and non-lethal whatever - whatever to make them off and eventually most of those addicts recovered. It took a while but a promising percentage did.

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Im against legalizing any drugs. Including weed. I also think gambling should stay illegal. Including lottery, make it illegal again.

What do you think these criminal groups are gonna do when weed and gambling is legalized? Id rather the criminals capitalize on these minor vices like gambling and weed, than get desperate and resort to stick ups and shit

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Dwalin2011 there I did with you, but with being Puritan in general. Morality exacerbated at best, has produced only damage. With Prohibitionism created the modern mafia, were born with cocaine are born the cartels of Medellin cali, the farc of Salvatore Mancuso and Mexican cartels.
What would these criminal organizations, if were legalized marijuana, cocaine, prostitution and gambling; passarebbero to another, but in a gesture of how the country was going to take the important sources of income.
Of course there will be a social cost, but serebbe equal to that caused by tobacco or alcohol from.
And for those who likens legalizazzione of soft drugs, gambling, etc. to legalize murder, I say, and it is my opinion that those who take drugs do so for various reasons: curiosity, desire to escape from reality, etc. and it is their right and should be respected. while the murder you violate the right of a person to life, which is why it can not be legalized

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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
and it is my opinion that those who take drugs do so for various reasons: curiosity, desire to escape from reality, etc. and it is their right and should be respected

If you are talking only about soft drugs, it's another discourse (even though I am against legalizing any king of drugs), but with hard drugs it's just dangerous for people's lives, and it's not like they make a conscious decision to kill themselves. People very often start using them out of stupidity or because of being naive, and later realize what the consequences will be, and would like very much to stop, but are not able any more, having become addicted.
Also, it shouldn't be just about personal rights, people should also think what their relatives feel, seeing them becoming addicted.


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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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This is why I'm against legalizing marijuana. After that, we'll have this kind of nonsense - people advocating for the legalization of hard drugs. Look at the damage legalized alcohol and tobacco do to society. Can you imagine what legalized cocaine, heroin, or meth would do?


Figures coming from a mormon.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Yeah, The movie shows what it's like for youngsters living in the area's like Scampia, Secondigliano, Marianella e.t.c. That's truly what life is like for them, it's not glamorous but rough and tough. I agree with you about not showing the power of the Camorra, if anything, the film was about the brutal side to it. Good film though and by all means read that book, it's like liquid gold when talking about the Camorra. It actually was the first book that inspired me to look into Organized crime more deeply, before that I thought of the Mafia in a totally different and naive way.


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This is why I'm against legalizing marijuana. After that, we'll have this kind of nonsense - people advocating for the legalization of hard drugs. Look at the damage legalized alcohol and tobacco do to society. Can you imagine what legalized cocaine, heroin, or meth would do?


Figures coming from a mormon.


One doesn't need to be Mormon to see what I'm saying is true.


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we accepted the serious social damage products from alcohol and tobacco and we accept them good or bad, what changes Ivy, if we want to legalize marijuana and cocaine? this is just talking about drugs. There will be in addition to the Anonymous Alcoholics , the Cocaine Addicts Anonymous

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No way you can legalize powders. NO WAY!!! Addiction rates will explode. Especially in the U.S. If you don't know anybody to get powders from, you cant use powders. Make them available at local stores...now EVERYONE knows where to score. Bad idea. Pot...no problem.


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Originally Posted By: SilentPartnerz
No way you can legalize powders. NO WAY!!! Addiction rates will explode. Especially in the U.S. If you don't know anybody to get powders from, you cant use powders. Make them available at local stores...now EVERYONE knows where to score. Bad idea. Pot...no problem.

this is the false argument that is so often used. the legality of harder drugs such as heroin or cocaine has no bearing whatsoever on the mind of somebody who wishes to use them, period. ask anybody who has ever struggled with addiction, and they will tell you the same thing. as far as the availabilty, not hard to find at all, no matter where you are. the weird idea that we can somehow legislate morality, or that simply having a law in place will prevent people from using whatever chemicals they please, has been proven to be both false and ineffective as far back as we can remember. the costs to society are already here, and amplifying the problem by throwing boatloads of money towards an impossible enforcement does nothing but further strain us finacially, amplifying the original problem.

there are those on here who are going to argue that we should just execute everyone involved to fix the problem, but that amounts to nothing more than a barbaric copout that could be stupidly applied to any problem that requires hard work to fix and resolve. to quote ron paul "how many people on here would start using heroin if it was legal?" there are always going to be a few dummies, but my guess is not many.


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