Didnt the boston LCN used to kick up to Bulger? I thought Bulger was the main man in Boston and the LCN was below him?

Didnt the boston LCN used to kick up to Bulger? I thought Bulger was the main man in Boston and the LCN was below him?

Mabye they didnt kick up to Bulger, but I don't think Bulger felt like he needed to kick up or be subserviant to the Italians.

He owed the Italians around $250K. They kept him around because they wanted to get paid. He strung them along because he knew (based on him ratting to the FBI) that his $250K would never be paid once he helped put them all in jail.

I venture to guess that if he owed the North End $10K instead of $250K, they would have buried him a long time ago.

i feel that while some overestimate bulger, some are equally guilty of underestimating him. its alot easier to say the mob should have just wacked him out, as opposed to actually going through with it. forget the fact that he was an extremely dangerous person on an indivudual basis, the guy had a seemingly endless supply of killers at his beckoned call.

with regards to who held more clout in the city, i think it depends on what your definition of power is, as well as what time period we are talking about. i think its fair to say that lcn made more money than winter hill, but i think its also a fair point to say that even with the much looser structure of winter hill, they were far more vicious and prone to violence.

it seems that during the late 80's/early 90's, with a good portion of the leadership of lcn locked up or under investigation, that a case could be made that winter hill held more clout in the boston underworld. i think that during this time, the state police agreed citing winter hill as the biggest criminal threat in the city. nowadays, the balance of power has shifted way back towards lcn, as the remnants of winter hill seem to be even less coordinated and less structured than ever before, and we never really hear too much out of them. i think the last we heard was that george hogan was running what was left. still, winter hill is the last bastion of anything resembling irish OC in the united states.

That part was a "self fulfilling prophecy" and not due to the hard work that he put in to gain traction. That's what Whitey planned all along. He would inform on the (more powerful) LCN and get them all put away so he could become the underworld king in Boston. It worked but without him double crossing the LCN he would have been nothing more than a drug dealing pimp.

i feel that while some overestimate bulger, some are equally guilty of underestimating him. its alot easier to say the mob should have just wacked him out, as opposed to actually going through with it. forget the fact that he was an extremely dangerous person on an indivudual basis, the guy had a seemingly endless supply of killers at his beckoned call.

with regards to who held more clout in the city, i think it depends on what your definition of power is, as well as what time period we are talking about. i think its fair to say that lcn made more money than winter hill, but i think its also a fair point to say that even with the much looser structure of winter hill, they were far more vicious and prone to violence.

it seems that during the late 80's/early 90's, with a good portion of the leadership of lcn locked up or under investigation, that a case could be made that winter hill held more clout in the boston underworld. i think that during this time, the state police agreed citing winter hill as the biggest criminal threat in the city. nowadays, the balance of power has shifted way back towards lcn, as the remnants of winter hill seem to be even less coordinated and less structured than ever before, and we never really hear too much out of them. i think the last we heard was that george hogan was running what was left. still, winter hill is the last bastion of anything resembling irish OC in the united states.

http://arthostage.blogspot.com/2008/09/stolen-art-watch-whitey-bulger-reward.html?m=1

Read toward end, it states where the FBI was close to putting out a child molester warrant! The guy was a scumbag. There's plenty online if you look

Indictment of James Bulger and his other friends:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/06/25/us/25legal-bulger-doc.html?ref=jamesjbulger&_r=0