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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081361
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sorry dixie, the just of the article is the police believe that the reason for woolleys 2023 murder was related to his connections to cooperating hitman frederick silva. it refers to woolley as being the main sponsor for murders performed by silva. because of this closeness the police believe woolley was taken out internally. however the article does not state which group was behind it. as woolley was at the time close to the rizzuto-sollecito clan they could be behind it. but woolley also was close to HA and street gangs so i imagine any group could have ordered it. with that being said despite reports that because of his imprisonment into the 2020's woolley had lost some power in the milieu this hit would only have come from the highest level of organized crime in mtl. this was not a gang beef related to rap videos as per many in the montreal gang scene, this was a professional and ruthless murder acted out in front of his wife and infant child in full view of the public.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081380
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Yea that site blocks me after the first paragraph roughly. Thanks for letting me know what it says, that’s the only thing I hate about being addicted to the Montreal story is the damn language barrier LOL

This would be really interesting if this came from Rizzuto/Sollecito. Seems like they held him in high regard, but of course if we can truly believe Scoppa that Sollecito is as much of a snake that he claimed he was (funny coming from a snake himself) then things could really get interesting but then again who is going to defend Woolley?

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081381
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good points dixie, very good. most recent articles mentioning woolley all state that after his release from magot/mastiff charges his stature had fallen and he was no longer part of any decision making group in mtl. one article at time of death stated woolley was involved in 'the book' but to what end we do not know. when it comes down to loyalty and protecting those close around them italians will stick together that is not in doubt. as per other murders in the milieu woolleys could have been beneficial on several levels to different groups.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081389
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Like Scoppa said, the book is truly cursed lol folks still dropping over control of it. M

I admit I haven’t read up much since Woolley fell though so I’m behind on the theories crazy

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081407
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https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/01/28/montreal--incendie-criminel-dans-saint-leonard

Montreal: arson in Saint-Léonard.
A commercial building was the target of an arson attack in Montreal in the Saint-Léonard borough during the night from Saturday to Sunday.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081408
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After further digging into this, the building of which the arson attack took place is a law firm that have handle high profile cases in the past.
I found this La Presse 2014 article to be quite interesting.

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...ssocie-dun-avocat-proche-de-la-mafia.php
Michel Bissonnet was the associate of a lawyer close to the mafia


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081697
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U.S. seeks to extradite brother of two deceased Montreal Mafia members
https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...r-of-two-deceased-montreal-mafia-members

Trafic de stupéfiants aux États-Unis : un frère du clan mafieux Scoppa arrêté à Montréal
https://www.journaldequebec.com/202...du-clan-mafieux-scoppa-arrete-a-montreal

Un des frères Scoppa arrêté et menacé d’extradition aux États-Unis
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-menace-d-extradition-aux-etats-unis.php

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081705
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The respective FBI and RCMP releases:

Federal Indictments Allege International Organized Crime Syndicate Imported and Exported Narcotics Across North America
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/fede...ed-crime-syndicate-imported-and-exported

$940,000 and 70 kg of cocaine seized thanks to successful collaboration between the RCMP and the FBI | Royal Canadian Mounted Police
https://www.grc-rcmp.gc.ca/en/news/...ssful-collaboration-the-rcmp-and-the-fbi

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081721
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roberto scoppa it turns out, isnt just dealing with illegal dumps on reserves. no mention as to which family/clan he was working for but we can rule out the rizzuto-sollecito. mirarchi? or an as yet unknown or lower key clan. no surprise of the involvement of indo-canadians they have been the driving force...at times literally on large scale imports into canada at the named border crossings. a staggering drug bust.

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Feds charge 19 in drug trafficking scheme across U.S., Mexico and Canada
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drug-trafficking-charges-us-mexico-canada-justice-department/

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: VitoCahill] #1081740
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
roberto scoppa it turns out, isnt just dealing with illegal dumps on reserves. no mention as to which family/clan he was working for but we can rule out the rizzuto-sollecito. mirarchi? or an as yet unknown or lower key clan. no surprise of the involvement of indo-canadians they have been the driving force...at times literally on large scale imports into canada at the named border crossings. a staggering drug bust.


Doubt he was working with any clan. Maybe a few guys who associated with his brothers but I'm guessing this was in partnership with the Hells Angels.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081749
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On January 2019 Robert Scoppa traveled to Colombia with Martin Robert, they stayed at the same hotel in Cartagena, Colombia. His recycling company was on Mohawk territory Kanesatake.
If I were a betting man I would say he had HA connection. But it's a circumstantial theory.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081752
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It seems that whoever is against or out of favor with the Rizzuto's tend to gravitate towards Martin. I guess we can put him on the same list.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081754
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There is another Scoppa LOL..


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #1081755
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Originally Posted by Hollander
There is another Scoppa LOL..


I was just gonna post that. This shit is getting too confusing lol


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He was the quiet brother who at first everybody thought he had nothing to do with crime.

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https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-p...s-for-involvement-in-drug-smuggling-ring

Five Canadians facing extradition to the U.S. for involvement in drug-smuggling ring

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Giacalone] #1081785
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Originally Posted by Giacalone
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There is another Scoppa LOL..


I was just gonna post that. This shit is getting too confusing lol


From Séguin and Thibault’s 2022 book about Andrew Scoppa:

From the various hints he’d dropped about his financial situation, I’d surmised that in 2014, Andrew was worth approximately $30 million. I’d also gathered that his wealth continued to grow thanks to his main sources of income: money laundering through his ATM company and his waste management businesses with his brother Roberto.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229...E5ff3iDbxw6dDtqmKUl5_ndmTYPKQlgv_YheRyfA

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081795
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good catch ciment about the robert and scoppa meeting in mexico, i had forgot about that. most articles from 2019 do state that most criminals or groups in quebec gravitate towards either thre rizzuto-sollecito or HA/ martin robert so that makes sense. we will have to see when further info comes out of these indictments. the connections to the illegal dumpong on kanesatake reserve would also steer roberto scoppa to being allied with robert as that reserve is fully martin robert territory.

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Colombia not Mexico Vito. One of the articles from today brought up the trip but added Colombo and/or France. Roberto Scoppa has been doing quite a bit of traveling with Martin Robert in recent years by the sound of the reports. Remember Martin Robert use to be a member of a chapter in France and is still in contact with his frères en France.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081802
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Again my apologies, not intended to muddy the waters all. I feel all these Lyme drugs r rotting my brain. Or perhaps it's all the spirochete bacteria that there battling. Been a ruff couple weeks...again.

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Originally Posted by antimafia
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There is another Scoppa LOL..


I was just gonna post that. This shit is getting too confusing lol


From Séguin and Thibault’s 2022 book about Andrew Scoppa:

From the various hints he’d dropped about his financial situation, I’d surmised that in 2014, Andrew was worth approximately $30 million. I’d also gathered that his wealth continued to grow thanks to his main sources of income: money laundering through his ATM company and his waste management businesses with his brother Roberto.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229...E5ff3iDbxw6dDtqmKUl5_ndmTYPKQlgv_YheRyfA




Roberto Scoppa was mentioned in the French-language media at least as far back as 2012:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229...NZOkhrwNE1p6x3n95ONCj9g7tKHywZTAKxoPHpog

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
good catch ciment about the robert and scoppa meeting in mexico, i had forgot about that. most articles from 2019 do state that most criminals or groups in quebec gravitate towards either thre rizzuto-sollecito or HA/ martin robert so that makes sense. we will have to see when further info comes out of these indictments. the connections to the illegal dumpong on kanesatake reserve would also steer roberto scoppa to being allied with robert as that reserve is fully martin robert territory.



It can be forgiven saying Mexico, as this coke did come from or at least through Mexico. It is entirely possible he met with Mexicans in Colombia. The thing is the Mexicans are IN Canada. It's coming over land. It's possible Robert has the most reliable "open door" in Canada at the moment with the Indian border.
Maybe he had to shore up supply. But the language they used was significant. They said wholesaler, not importer.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Mafia101] #1081813
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Originally Posted by Mafia101
Remember Martin Robert use to be a member of a chapter in France and is still in contact with his frères en France.


I didn't know that. That's very interesting. Do you havemore details about this ?



It makes me think of the 2018 case about a couple of French canadian guy, connected to the HA, who got caught in the carribean trying to ship 1.5 tons of cocaine to Quebec.

The whole operation was organized by the Hell's Angels and part of it took place in France with the Help of local HA guys.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1081860
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It's not that case Vito.

This is the case : https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2018/07...ors-dune-spectaculaire-saisie-de-cocaine (sorry it's in French)

There was a documentary a few month ago about it on French TV and they interviewed the guy who did it (he did his time in jail without giving any names) .

He doesn't give names but he tells the whole story as it is and talked about the time he prepared the boat in France. When he needed money while preparing the boat in France, he would call the Hell Angel's in Quebec and they would have one of their French members in France going to him and giving him cash.

It's interesting because the HA in France are not as involved in criminality as the HA members in Northern Europe. We know that the French HA are close to the French canadians HA for obvious reason but it's the first time i have seen an actual involvement of the French HA in a criminal operation run by the Quebec Hell's Angels.


Basically, the operation consisted on using the cover of a tourist boat to ship 1.5 tons of cocaine from Colombia to Canada. It was organized by infamous Quebec gangster Raymond Desfossés and the Hell's Angels.

As i said, the man didn't provide any name but given the scale of the operation, i would assume that Martin Robert was involved.

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good catch ciment about the robert and scoppa meeting in mexico, i had forgot about that. most articles from 2019 do state that most criminals or groups in quebec gravitate towards either thre rizzuto-sollecito or HA/ martin robert so that makes sense. we will have to see when further info comes out of these indictments. the connections to the illegal dumpong on kanesatake reserve would also steer roberto scoppa to being allied with robert as that reserve is fully martin robert territory.



It can be forgiven saying Mexico, as this coke did come from or at least through Mexico. It is entirely possible he met with Mexicans in Colombia. The thing is the Mexicans are IN Canada. It's coming over land. It's possible Robert has the most reliable "open door" in Canada at the moment with the Indian border.
Maybe he had to shore up supply. But the language they used was significant. They said wholesaler, not importer.


Martin Robert was already arrested in Cancun (Mexico) on January 13, 2010.

Québec police had information (sent to their Mexican counterparts) that certain wanted members of the Hells Angels were hiding in Mexico. Mexican authorities launched an investigation that led them to the Cancun area. Martin Robert was arrested in a discotheque. He had entered Mexico under a false identity. Mexican immigration authorities deported Martin Robert, who was handed over to Québec police on January 16, 2010.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1082052
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I remember him being mentioned in the Scoppa book and I always figured he was just still tied to the garbage business. Very interesting, I figured if he was tied into any gangster shit they would have popped him before/after they killed the other two Scoppa brothers. Especially after they were playing dirty it seems by killing family members. Makes me think Roberto was lower level back then maybe?

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