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Re: Very sad to see Italian neighborhoods disappear. [Re: azguy] #687484
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Originally Posted By: azguy
To me it's Ali, hands down. Moved like a butterfly and stung like a bee.

My favorite fighter though was Marvin Hagler...


Hagler was a Brockton guy too? Ali like Ted Williams missed his best years!


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Yes, Marvin was from Brockton. One of his managers may have been a made guy, I just uncovered that last week..It was in Gravano's senate testimony about LCN and boxing.


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Patranelli Brothers? Ive got a picture of them running with Marvin on Rt 6 I believe! Cape Cod somewhere anyway! Marvin jogged with Army boots on!


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Yes, my Dad drove a truck and would see him running a lot. There was an article written in SI years and years ago that detailed his training schedule.

He like to fight in the early spring and him an his team would go to Province Town, at the tip of the Cape, and take the whole hotel over. It was closed in the winters anyway and Marvin would only allow about a half dozen guys to go out there with him. He ran 12 miles a day on the beach in deep sand with those same army boots and rumor is he ran 6 miles forward and 6 backwards.

He would shuttle in sparing partners a week at time and they used the ballroom to set up the ring. It was total solitude and got him in the right frame of mind.

I also heard that he shaved his head about a week before the fight so by the time he got in the ring it would be just grown in enough that it was like sandpaper and he would rake his head across your chest during fights, lol...

I read somewhere that the Rocky to Siberia idea was taken from Marvin training out in P-town.


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Re: Very sad to see Italian neighborhoods disappea [Re: Avellino] #687497
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Hagler vs Hearns is one of the best fights i've ever seen even though it only went 4 rounds. I also believe Marvin was robbed of the decision against Sugar Ray Leonard

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Originally Posted By: Skinny
Where is/was Andy's?

116th Street and Second Avenue. I ate there with my Dad just about every Friday afternoon for almost thirty years (EHI already knows this).

I grew up in the Bronx, 187th and Hoffman, but my Dad grew up in East Harlem, Pleasant Avenue, between 117th and 118th. My grandparents lived in that building from the day they arrived in this country until the day each of them died, almost 70 years! So I know the area well, and I feel like I grew up there myself. When my grandmother died in 1991, she was already one of the last Italian born women in the neighborhood.

Re Rao's: Overrated. I've posted this before, but I've eaten there twice and it was no great shakes. Family style NYC Italian. Nothing you can't get at Dominick's in the Bronx or Bamonte's in Brooklyn for half the price (not to mention that you can just walk right into those places).

Re Changing neighborhoods: No one who grew up in a cold water tenement walk up (like I did) would want the same for their children. Anyone who posts otherwise is just being a sentimentalist who obviously grew up in the suburbs. Italian American assimilation is a good thing.


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these greatest fighter debates divider people as much as politics. marciano was great in his day, but if i'm being honest, i think a prime hopkins as well as a slew of other fighters from middleweight to light-heavy would have their way with him. different eras, and as much as i hate to say it rocky was not much more than a 1-dimensional slugger who happened to be around at a time when the competition was almost laughable. he was very tough, and had great heart however!

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You guys should move this to the boxing thread before it gets out of hand wink smile.


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Re: Very sad to see Italian neighborhoods disappea [Re: pizzaboy] #687504
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny
Where is/was Andy's?

116th Street and Second Avenue. I ate there with my Dad just about every Friday afternoon for almost thirty years (EHI already knows this).

I grew up in the Bronx, 187th and Hoffman, but my Dad grew up in East Harlem, Pleasant Avenue, between 117th and 118th. My grandparents lived in that building from the day they arrived in this country until the day each of them died, almost 70 years! So I know the area well, and I feel like I grew up there myself. When my grandmother died in 1991, she was already one of the last Italian born women in the neighborhood.

Re Rao's: Overrated. I've posted this before, but I've eaten there twice and it was no great shakes. Family style NYC Italian. Nothing you can't get at Domimick's in the Bronx or Bamonte's in Brooklyn for half the price (not to mention that you can just walk right into those places).

Re Changing neighborhoods: No one who grew up in a cold water tenement walk up (like I did) would want the same for their children. Anyone who posts otherwise is just being a sentimentalist who obviously grew up in the suburbs. Italian American assimilation is a good thing.


Thanks for the responce Pizzaboy. Never eaten at Dominicks, been to Bamonte's when i was younger, honestly I dont remember much about the food haha. Who was that rapper who did a video outside Bamontes? It was one of those Mob Rappers from the bronx? I laughed my ass off when i saw that, Tony R was probably still in prison when they shot that or it never would have been there! LOL!

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PB is spot on to what's happened here! There's only about a 1000 Italian/ Americans left. And a handful of Italian born, those who are are ancient!
As far as food La Corsa is excellent, on a E110th by Park!

Assimilation is great, however someone had to stay behind and collect the rents!


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Originally Posted By: Skinny
Who was that rapper who did a video outside Bamontes? It was one of those Mob Rappers from the bronx? I laughed my ass off when i saw that, Tony R was probably still in prison when they shot that or it never would have been there! LOL!

I have no earthly idea. I'm 53 years old. I don't really remember many rappers after the Sugarhill Gang lol.

But as far as Bamonte's goes, more cops and politicians eat there today than mob guys. I still live in the Bronx, but I get out that way once in awhile, and I've personally seen Ray Kelly (the NYC police commissioner) there twice. The Bamonte family is as straight as an arrow. No one is telling them who can and can not film there or, more importantly, eat there wink.


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Re: Very sad to see Italian neighborhoods disappea [Re: EastHarlemItal] #687510
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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
As far as food La Corsa is excellent, on a E110th by Park!

Great pizza wink smile.


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Re: Very sad to see Italian neighborhoods disappea [Re: pizzaboy] #687511
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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
As far as food La Corsa is excellent, on a E110th by Park!

Great pizza wink smile.


Yes they do! They also make meat balls the way your suppose to. With Veal! They don't try and get fancy either! It's straight up good old Grandma Italian food! PB did you know they did the Giglo festival meal last year! You know, the one where you carry a 50,000 pound statue for a meal and bragging rights!


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Ill have to find the link... That shit cracks me up! I wanna say his name is "G-Fella" or "G-Fellas" or some thing. Artist and producer of the new hit single "That's MOB"...lol lol

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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
PB did you know they did the Giglo festival meal last year! You know, the one where you carry a 50,000 pound statue for a meal and bragging rights!

My father's on the board, you pineapple lol.

http://www.eastharlemgiglio.com/


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PB did you know they did the Giglo festival meal last year! You know, the one where you carry a 50,000 pound statue for a meal and bragging rights!

My father's on the board, you pineapple lol.

http://www.eastharlemgiglio.com/


Shit forgot! No wonder they got the job! Tell him I'm on the DL again this year! Thanks for the link! Didnt even realize it was that big of a deal! But let's be candid, with all the new inventions why can't they get a lighter statue! That thing is ridiculas! Summer of '91 was the rebirth? I think '91 anyway


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PB what was the priests name? Farano or Rafaro? You need to help me win a bet! Got an idiot with me that is doubting my memory!


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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
But let's be candid, with all the new inventions why can't they get a lighter statue! That thing is ridiculas!

Because Italians are superstitious. They think a lighter statue would doom us all to hell lol.


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But let's be candid, with all the new inventions why can't they get a lighter statue! That thing is ridiculas!

Because Italians are superstitious. They think a lighter statue would doom us all to hell lol.


It's really probably true! Tell the old man I want my Tee Shirt this year! Haven't had one in a few years. When I asked that Greaseball LoBosco told me "say a prayer to St Anthony to find it for you" he's still crying over poor Claudio having to move!


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny
Where is/was Andy's?

116th Street and Second Avenue. I ate there with my Dad just about every Friday afternoon for almost thirty years (EHI already knows this).

I grew up in the Bronx, 187th and Hoffman, but my Dad grew up in East Harlem, Pleasant Avenue, between 117th and 118th. My grandparents lived in that building from the day they arrived in this country until the day each of them died, almost 70 years! So I know the area well, and I feel like I grew up there myself. When my grandmother died in 1991, she was already one of the last Italian born women in the neighborhood.

Re Rao's: Overrated. I've posted this before, but I've eaten there twice and it was no great shakes. Family style NYC Italian. Nothing you can't get at Dominick's in the Bronx or Bamonte's in Brooklyn for half the price (not to mention that you can just walk right into those places).

Re Changing neighborhoods: No one who grew up in a cold water tenement walk up (like I did) would want the same for their children. Anyone who posts otherwise is just being a sentimentalist who obviously grew up in the suburbs. Italian American assimilation is a good thing.



amen...I wish my grandfather can see me now, he came to this country with nothing and his grandchildren made a great life, we achieved the american dream...good post PizzaBoy, you nailed it

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Read Burt Sugars Boxing Encylopedia! Sugar ranks by weight, however he's at the top. Dundee has stated it several times, he had a soft spot for Ali, however he also stated pound for pound Marchiano was the best FIGHTER. This is a personal opinion argument. For my money I take Marchiano and his punch. Let me ask a question, you say the division wasnt that competitive! Was the Rocky's fault?


Love boxing debates... I loved the fighting style of Marciano the way he always fought hard start to finish and won alot of fights when he was behind on points with knockouts... but Sugar Ray Robinson was amazing...the amount of fights he fought, his longevity, and the way he fought makes him truly unique and definitely in the upper echelon of boxing royalty...

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Today is the Coffee Shop/Restaurant and Parking Space era.
"And it's not just the money. It's a pride thing. All our food: pizza, calzone, buffalo moozarell', olive oil. These f----s had nothin'. They ate pootsie before we gave them the gift of our cuisine. But this, this is the worst. This expresso shit."


Nicely put!Paulie 'Walnuts' one of my favorite characters.Btw cant stand these coffie shop/restaurants or whatever they are...what happend to goin to the big time restaurants placed out of the neighbourhoods,even the clubs are dyin cuz of these locals.They work day and night non stop.First i gotta pass 10 of these locals,all placed one to another and than i can enter my building entrance and in the evening its realy freaky..underage drunk girls are puking infront of the elevator so in the morning when i get out for work i just sliiide away to my car whistle


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It's not about Italian neighborhoods disappearing so much as it's the degeneration of the family as a whole. Times changed and families aren't as close as they used to be. Everybody's off doing their own thing, coming and going in the house at different times. It's not the 50's anymore no matter what nationality you are.

This is true in Italy too. Families aren't quite they way they used to be over there anymore either. They're not as close as they used to be.

And as far as these coffee houses go...again, in Sicily, that's all you see. They're called Coffee Bars. You pick up an espresso and biscotti, sit, bullshit and leave.
Like Americans sit in bars to drink


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Im not talkin about thouse traditional coffee houses,where usualy ppl sit down at day time,have a coffe and leave and after a while the cofee house close up.Im talkin about locals that at day time they r ordenery coffe houses but at night they become bars with live band performances and thousands of teenagers.The best joke is that on front door of the local says "No Booze for ppl under 18" and i only see 15-16 year old drunk kids,givin me tuff looks lol


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In boston most of the italian neighborhoods o the old is moved to the north shore peabody middleton danvers etc the whole route 1 and all the irish from southie townies even dorchester moved south shore quincy wemouth duxbury brintree they just got away everett revere malden eastie roxbury north end was filled all ilalians not forget about ir nothing but colored folks latins cape verdeans its crazy and brockton always had a big italian prensence still do but far from being as tight as it used too....hey roxbury where my grandpa lived his whole area dudley st was ilalians up and down now be lucky to find one italian in roxbury lol but long lives the socail club lmaol unbelievable


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what area in NYC has the highest Italian population today?
And were some neighborhoods in NYC in the 40s-60s 100% Italian?

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Country Club Bronx, still very Italian. And to a lesser extent, so is Pelham Manor, Throgs Neck, and PARTS of Morris Park.

South Shore of Staten Island.

Howard Beach and South Ozone Park in Queens.

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You ever learn in History Class the "White Flight"


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You ever learn in History Class the "White Flight"


Good point! Most feel it started after WW2! Call it '46 by the time they got back,setlled got there GI paperwork in!


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Plus alot of Italians and other Non-Italians rented out their homes section 8!!! Cha-Ching!


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