Depends on who you ask. I'm sure that Sit will agree with me when I say that the Westside guys had no use for Gotti then, and even less use for his memory today. Gigante wouldn't have pissed on Gotti if he was on fire. But John was very popular among his own troops. That's one area where you can't sell him short. He did have his loyalists. Just don't ask Genie and Carnegs if they don't resent John just a little bit for knocking down their pleas in '89. They would have been home a long time ago .

I now I can't believe john wouldn't let any guys take pleas even his own bro rotten away all these years if they plea out they might have gotten descent deal...an look at dudes in other families make an art outta the plea lol l

On the Westside they kill you for not taking a plea when ordered to do so. And there's the difference.

But john was stubborn I geuss lol and yes he Def had his loyalist there's some out there today....if gene took a plea he pro might have been out around the time I graduated lol 2004

Why do you think that is the come down so much because there the power???

Isn't genes release date in 2017 that's not bad lol

Easy for you to say. The poor bastard's been away since you were in diapers .

lol your correct....i was saying it because hes only a few more yrs from release thats all he coulda clearly been out a while ago

do you think hell have a role if he makes it out alive....def not high up but im sure he must of left some money on the street...

He left a TON of shy out on the street. So did Carnegs.

Yeah I figure that gene must of had a a lot of money from selling dope

I always wondered why Gotti never put his brother as one of the shooters..

pizzas right. the one thing i give john props for,is being a loyal and having balls. its one thing to kill a guy. its one thing to kill two guys. it is one thing to kill two guys without the boss.but to kill the boss and his under?then take over himself?balls.balls.balls. he was respected for that. i think there was a 'mutual' fear between the chin and gotti. the 'chin' was the only one with the juice to take out gotti. and gotti was the only one with balls enough to take a shot at the chin.lol.

john had a lot of 'supporters'. honestly he was a 'lovable' guy. ive seen him twice in my life. we were 'formally' introduced at the old casa calamari. the 'nose' introduced us. he knew my father as well as he was friends with oneil. he was 'larger than life'.so to speak. he reminded me of that popular kid in high school that always had a bunch of kids around him. asking him 'hows the wine john', 'nice tie john'....from everything ive heard.mostly from a friend of mine from h.b.,said he helped a lot of people in his neighborhood. just handing out money or food. i believe it. my father told me we should watch the procession. must have been ten thousand people lined up and down the road there in ozp and hb. [crossbay blvd i think i dont know queens].people crying, you would have thought it was princess diana.lol.

a lot of guys didnt like him though. the brothers from canarsie, the cherry hill guys. honestly,he had more balls than brains. in fact,a lot more.lol. like pizza says, the whole 'no plea' thing is rediculous.lol. the gambino brothers said 'fuck that' and took a plea.lol. if he was to see his family now hed be furious. the most powerful guys are the guys he never trusted.lol. truthfully,he wasnt smart enough to ever be picked 'legitamately' as boss. im not saying he wasnt smart, but it takes a certain personality to be boss with out destroying the family in the process.

i always thought genie was the only one that did 'work'.other than john

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I was in funeral service for 25 years, Sit. Mostly on the livery end of the business. The Papaveros are close friends of mine. And they swear that John's funeral was the biggest they ever had. They were calling as far as South Jersey for funeral cars.

i believe it! there were more black cars than i could count.like what a dozen cars with just flowers?

i hope they got paid for that. i remember hearing some rumors about people stealing money meant for the funeral.

Yeah, that's what the problem was. Flower cars are pretty rare today outside of the old hardcore Italian calls. It was crazy. Even the Scarpacis donated a car. And they don't give anything away .

and where is he now? he gave up about $10M and is in jail/flipped and will probably die of diabetes if he ever gets out



another bronx poster (Charlie luciano) from the other forum claimed joe dente jr got bumped down (no longer capo)

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I know that Ernie never liked him, so it could be true. But it's unlike the Westside to break their captains. They usually just kill them .

I'll find out for sure and let you know, Dap .

Not much killing going on in LCN anymore, its 2012 haha

Thanks pb

Carmine Persico was probably the worst that fucked his children life.

The problem with CP is he never evolved as a gangster or as a person.This guy was allegedly involved in the hit on anastasia and then the gallo wars this for a gangster was fuckin paradise.He still has a 50s mindset and wishes the world was like that he believes a boss should be a boss until he dies

The guy just fuckin loves the life its a religion to him.If there was an oc hall of fame this guy would be in it.Guy was involved in lcn during the golden era and become boss during the 70s guys underneath him even were involved in the most famous profiable porn movie evr made.When he was out he was treated as a god on the streets of brooklyn.Even if right now a judge overturns his conviction but tells him if he ever gets involved in the life again he will be put back in for life i can guarentee he wouldnt give a fuck and just jump back in as soon as he steps foot outside the gates.I dont think he even gives a fuck that his whole family is in jail because to him there is no other way.He probably would of been ashamed of his son if he bacame a legit guy.

Its like when dom montigglio was telling his uncle Nino about some carreer he wanted to do it didnt matter what job he told his uncle nino would just say only degenartes do that but as soon as said he wanted to be a gangster thats what made Nino happy

This guy could of set his childrens up for life but instead he had his son out there clipping people

is throggs neck italian still pizzaboy?

he was in the gallo wars.but he didnt do anastasia.

just take my word for it.lol.

I just want to say thank God that we FINALLY are getting some decent posters on here. sitonmyface, meffaboston thank you for bringing decent and reliable information to this board in the OC section that has sorely needed it along with PB, Dap, and the others here.

Quite frankly I've had enough of idiots like Ricobenes, imamobguy, and Wilson

thats quite a compliment thank you.im in good company those guys know there shit.

No problem man. It was getting bad here for awhile. Haha were you around when mobguy was a regular poster? I've never beheld such a whackjob before

think he's gone for good?

I think people like Dicknose did a good job of running him out of town