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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675169
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To be honest, Romney very well could have won had he run a better campaign and selected a different running mate. Paul Ryan is no extremist but someone like Portman could have given him the edge in Ohio.

But their were plenty of other things that prevented Romney from winning. Mitt is a moderate in my mind, but the whole image of the Republican party is very villianized at the moment. Combine that with the fact that Obama is much more likeable than Romney to the average person. It's like PB said, the guy is a mope.

The GOP has to realize this country is too diverse to run on the white vote anymore. They need someone with charisma and moderate policies (who can specify them better) to run in 2016, and if Santorum is in that last of candidates they are fucked.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #675173
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Great post, JoeSchmo smile.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675181
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #675184
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Great post, JoeSchmo smile.


Thanks PB smile And just like everyone else here I want the President to succeed, I want the USA to succeed. But in order for that to happen President Obama must move toward the middle just like the House has to move towards the middle. It can't be super left or super right or we will see a repeat of the previous four years.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #675186
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou


I was literally just on the verge of posting that JL.. lol


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #675200
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou

I understand that "Mormons for Bachmann 2016" will be taking over that URL.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675205
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I don't think Romney lost the election so much as Obama won it. The exit polls show that Obama matched or exceeded his winning margin with the groups he won with in 2008. Unfortunately for the Republicans they got high on their own supply of thinking that 2008 was a fluke. It wasn't. The Republicans didn't think minority voters would come out again. They did. And they didn't think young voters of any group would come out again. They did. Rasmussen and Rove were full of it.

59% of the white vote used to be enough to win the Presidential election. It no longer is. It is going to take some time for Republicans to process that information. It is questionable as to whether they are capable of changing policies or at the very least changing the marketing of those policies. I hope that they do. Either way it will be an entertaining thing to watch. If they don't then they had better get used to losing presidential elections.

But changing demographics aside, the Republicans lost the Rust Belt and Upper Midwest which has not yet seen the sort of population shifts that took place in California, the Southwest and NY. Tons of whites in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and other areas that have Republican governors turned out to vote for Obama. Part of the reason was the auto bailout and especially the lies that a desperate Romney told about Jeeps and China.

The Republicans have catered to a shrinking base and have allowed themselves to be painted/acted as racist 1%'ers who would drive over their grandmother to pick a nickel off the road. You simply can't go around calling the President a skinny ghetto crackhead or say 47% of people aren't sh** or say rape is no big deal or talk about self-deportation and then be surprised when people who may be in one of those groups you just insulted don't vote for you.

As the post-election bitter ugly comments by Nugent, O'Reilly, Trump, Limbaugh, Fred Barnes and others show there is a certain Republican demographic that won't change and can't change. But they'll be dead soon enough. shhh The next crop of Republicans will hopefully be savvier and smarter.


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #675209
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It's evolve or become extinct, Lilo.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675223
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Plenty of Republicans aren't extreme or idiotic like tea partiers. But they certainly cater to a dying breed. That has to change for them.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #675230
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Plenty of Republicans aren't extreme or idiotic like tea partiers. But they certainly cater to a dying breed. That has to change for them.


I was a registered Republican from 1984 to 2007. I don't know if they'll ever be moderate enough for me ever again.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #675232
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Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675233
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Someone's gotta pull their shit together. Get rid of bums like Michelle Bachmann. But I must say I was very satisfied when Joe Donelley beat Murdock in the Senate race. Good job Indiana! There is hope for you yet.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #675234
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I really think Romney & the entire GOP were shocked that Mitt didn't win. Rove was crunching numbers like crazy, Mitt didn't concede immediately and all the Republican pundits were taken by surprise.

FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home. lol


TIS


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #675239
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home.


Just as well..... they got a free ride for a year for doing nothing.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Turnbull] #675245
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.


Due to the rise in Latino populations, some people predict Arizona will be in play for the Democrats in 2016, and even Texas by 2020.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675257
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675258
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Every time she sees Joe Biden, my daughter quotes Joe Clark, "They used to call me Crazy Joe! Now you can call me Batman!" lol


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #675259
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Ha ha ha!! lol What's Biden doing? He IS walking like Igor. That's funny.




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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675278
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Turnbull] #675310
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Hispanics are the sleeping giants of national politics. In this election, 53% of eligible Hispanic voters pulled levers, compared with 50% four years ago. That's still a smaller percentage of eligible white and black voters (mid to upper 60 percent). Lots to be gained there.

Count on a Hispanic--maybe two--on the major parties' tickets in '16.


Fun Fact: 50,000 young Latino U.S. citizens each month reach voting age.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675312
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Base: TRAITOR!!!

Hannity: I've 'evolved' on Immigration Reform

Quote:
Sean Hannity said Thursday he has “evolved” on immigration and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.”

Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday afternoon that the United States needs to “get rid of the immigration issue altogether.”

“It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #675314
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Well good for hannity. Don't like him but it's good to see he can grow up a little


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #675334
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Ha ha ha ha!!!! lol



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #675347
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That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #675351
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Btw, anyone know if FL has been called yet (officially?) and if so, that brings President Obama up to what 330ish EVs? confused




TIS


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #675353
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


The electoral college is confusing enough for Americans, I can only imagine how confused the rest of the world is. lol


TIS


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #675354
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The Romney people are trying to resuscitate Chad before they concede.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #675359
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all grin.


Well, if it was up to square foot it was, but then it is based on the population. I mean it's not like Obama didn't get the popular vote as well. He got over 3 million votes more than Romney.

I said I don't like this electoral college system, but it's a good way to have election results fast, for such a huge country like the US, when there's a clear winner and loser. If not, just as popular vote, the electoral college could end up like year 2000.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #675362
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Btw, anyone know if FL has been called yet (officially?) and if so, that brings President Obama up to what 330ish EVs? confused

TIS


One of our locals posted that the Willard campaign conceded on Florida.

The President will end with 332 EVs. The only state from '08 he lost was North Carolina, and the other EVs he lost via the Census.

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So, in short it IS an EV landslide for Obama after all making Nate Silver right? Last I saw a what, 3mil. popular vote difference??

smile

TIS

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