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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #670367
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
I thought it was a excellent opening episode, it appears Rick now has total control over the group, i just got the impression that as time has pasted(six months) he has manipulated them all and they will do what he says maybe bar Daryl.. I think Hershal will survive even though he was bit, Rick chopping above the bite should be ok.. I got a feeling this season will be amazing..

The next episode we should finally see the new character the prison warden and maybe Merle..

Also the new character Michonne has two walkers chained up behind her has she walks, is this to keep walkers away from her as im not too sure how this would work..

Here to 15 more episodes.. smile
the thing is, they are splitting the season the same way they did for breaking bad so we only have 7 more episodes to look forward to and then a long wait until i believe the summer for the second half of the season. the producers know that they have something good and for that reason they are treating us like patients at a methadone clinic, meaning that they have what we want and we just have to wait no matter how bad the withdrawls get frown


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Five_Felonies] #670369
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Oh man, are you kidding me? rolleyes They did the same thing for White Collar and called it a "mid-season break." That ticks me off. mad




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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Five_Felonies] #670372
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
I thought it was a excellent opening episode, it appears Rick now has total control over the group, i just got the impression that as time has pasted(six months) he has manipulated them all and they will do what he says maybe bar Daryl.. I think Hershal will survive even though he was bit, Rick chopping above the bite should be ok.. I got a feeling this season will be amazing..

The next episode we should finally see the new character the prison warden and maybe Merle..

Also the new character Michonne has two walkers chained up behind her has she walks, is this to keep walkers away from her as im not too sure how this would work..

Here to 15 more episodes.. smile
the thing is, they are splitting the season the same way they did for breaking bad so we only have 7 more episodes to look forward to and then a long wait until i believe the summer for the second half of the season. the producers know that they have something good and for that reason they are treating us like patients at a methadone clinic, meaning that they have what we want and we just have to wait no matter how bad the withdrawls get frown


I think last season we had to wait from November to February but that soon comes around.. Well they have me hooked anyway.. smile


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Mignon] #670373
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Originally Posted By: Mignon
Originally Posted By: DE NIRO

Also the new character Michonne has two walkers chained up behind her has she walks, is this to keep walkers away from her as im not too sure how this would work..


Also to carry things. Did you notice that they have no bottom jaw so they can't bite.
That's why I was pissed cuz Hershel got bit. I was asking my son who's gonna deliver the baby now?
Can't wait for Tuesday and Sunday nights.


They can't kill Hershel off so early, he has to survive.. smile


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #670524
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This is one of those series when I cannot stand it if an episode ends. It may not be the very best serie in terms of quality, but it's certainly one of the most captivating, if that's the right word to describe it. When watching an episode I'm completely hooked. It's incredibly entertaining.


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #670526
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I agree Sonny, the episodes always go so quick,40 minutes is just not long enough..


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671351
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So who thought Hershel was going to turn into a walker tonight?


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Mignon] #671426
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An other great episode of WD. smile A couple comments:

Why exactly did Rick shoot the two inmates? Granted, I wasn't sure they could be trusted but that took me by surprise. uhwhat

Good idea Carol (?) had practicing for a baby delivery by cutting up a female walker. lol

And Hershel. OMG, the way Rick chopped his leg off. panic Still, I have my doubts he is the same ol' Hershel if you know what I mean. I see Walker in his future.

Lot of tension between Laurie & Rick. Laurie to me is annoying and appears manipulative to Rick at times. Also a good find with all the food/supplies. Thus far, prison seems like the best place for them to hide out.

This show has some really really good acting if you ask me. Love it. AND, who knows what "kind" of baby Laurie will end up delivering.


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Mignon] #671478
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Originally Posted By: Mignon
So who thought Hershel was going to turn into a walker tonight?


I sure did when Lori was giving him CPR, made me jump when he woke with his arms around Lori.. smile


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #671479
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
An other great episode of WD. smile A couple comments:

Why exactly did Rick shoot the two inmates? Granted, I wasn't sure they could be trusted but that took me by surprise. uhwhat

Good idea Carol (?) had practicing for a baby delivery by cutting up a female walker. lol


And Hershel. OMG, the way Rick chopped his leg off. panic Still, I have my doubts he is the same ol' Hershel if you know what I mean. I see Walker in his future.

Lot of tension between Laurie & Rick. Laurie to me is annoying and appears manipulative to Rick at times. Also a good find with all the food/supplies. Thus far, prison seems like the best place for them to hide out.

This show has some really really good acting if you ask me. Love it. AND, who knows what "kind" of baby Laurie will end up delivering.


TIS



Another great episode. I like the way it panned out with the prisoners but i think Rick did the right thing by killing the Mexican,he didn't want another Shane on his hands, always looking over his shoulders not trusting him. I dont think we have seen the last of the two surviving prisoners..

Next weeks episode we should finally see the "Warden" as i think it will focus on Andrea and Michonne going by the preview.And i saw a quick glimpse of Merle..


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First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #671725
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
This show has some really really good acting if you ask me. Love it. AND, who knows what "kind" of baby Laurie will end up delivering.


Can you imagine giving birth to a walker? Wondering if Merle will take revenge on Tdog since he was the one that dropped the key for those handcuffs?


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671726
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the only complaint that i have so far for the walking dead is that the epidodes aren't long enough! i can't wait for merye to make his first apperance since season #1! my prediction is that daryll and meryle will see each other again soon and meryle will show his true colors forcing daryll to come in conflict with him and possibly kill him for the good of the group as they have become more of his family than his brother imo!


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671729
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I also wished the episodes were longer, too many commercials!!!!!


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Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671748
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It's going to be intesresting how Daryl will react when he see's Meryl, correct me if im wrong but they was never on screen together in season one..


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First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671888
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Only in hallucinations in season 2.


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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #671929
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Thats correct MIG, good scene that..


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First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #672780
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FYI for all Walking Dead fans. AMC is running the first two episodes of season 3 before tonight's 3rd episode, if anyone wants to catch up you're not that far behind yet. smile



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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #672910
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I'm with the Governor for now. He knows that in order for his community to survive, they cannot afford taking any risks whatsoever. That's why he needed to kill those military guys before they would find out about it, and thereby eliminating any potential threat to their community.

This also means that the two woman can never leave. If they decide to leave they will be killed.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Sonny_Black] #672912
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I can't say I'm for the "governor." I don't trust him at all. The community did look like a regular "normal" city but I lost them when they killed the military guys.

Do I understand that they want to make (or are researching)some sort of "walker" without the instinct to "attack/eat" but rather to use them as protection of their facility of some sort? Thus, all the heads at the end of the episode? Creepy. lol OR, am I way off track. confused

Next week looks good too.

TIS


"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK

"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

Re: The Walking Dead [Re: Sonny_Black] #672915
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I'm with the Governor for now. He knows that in order for his community to survive, they cannot afford taking any risks whatsoever. That's why he needed to kill those military guys before they would find out about it, and thereby eliminating any potential threat to their community.

This also means that the two woman can never leave. If they decide to leave they will be killed.


Didnt think about the last part,you are right...


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #672977
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Finally Merle is and back and he's still a bad-ass. It felt strange watching an episode without Rick and the others but i guess we needed an entire episode to introduce the Guvonour.

We was made to feel like the little community was a nice place to be,but the Guvonour has them all brainwashed and he is in total command.. I can see Andrea falling for him and when they are together this is when she will see Rick and loyalties will be tested..

A decent episode..


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #672991
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DeNiro,

Do you ever watch the "Talking Dead" which is on right after WD. They talk about the episode, take calls, tweets, etc. They had Andrea on one time, and Darryl another and the new girl last week (I can't think of her name). They talk about what happened in the current episode.

As for last night, the aquarium of floating heads was kind of a shocker no? lol Yea, I don't trust the Governor either. Speaking of Merle, he seemed to be less of a racist/SOB no? He seems to "obey" the governor. First episode ever without Rick in it.

Next week looks good. Do you see the previews? It looks like the prison gets surrounded by more Walkers.

They took a poll on the Talking Dead asking who you would choose to lead you if you were in their situation: Rick, Governor, Merle, Darryl or the new gal (the Black girl). Anyway, Rick won by a landslide.

Also they asked if you were Merle who would you be more pissed at for leaving him stranded on the rooftop, Rick or T-Dog. That was open for opinion.


TIS


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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #672993
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Hi Tis,

As i stream the WD online,i dont get to see The Talking Dead but i know of it as i follow the group on Facebook..

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The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

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Re: The Walking Dead [Re: DE NIRO] #673520
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Why does that Michionne have such attitude for? She is not happy at all. I sorta felt sorry for her walkers that she had to behead. Good season so far.


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I think we are just getting to know Michionne and may learn her story. She seems pretty tough tho.

I can't say I felt sorry for the "Pet" Walkers (LOL what's that about)? lol


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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

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OMG, anyone watch last night? DeNiro? I won't give it away but I surely couldn't have been the only one surprised. uhwhat

Good episode




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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

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All I can say is wow!! I would love to discuss this epi with you all.


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SPOILER IF YOU DIDN'T SEE 11/4/12 EPISODE


Mig,

I called my daughter who doesn't watch the show because I had to tell someone what happened. I'm waiting for DeNiro to give his input but he watches on-line and I'm guessing won't see it til today sometime.

Anyway:


I did NOT see that coming did you? uhwhat And poor Maggie having to delivery a baby not to mention do a c-section. lol Poor Carl AND I actually got choked up when I saw Rick's reaction. WOW is right! Didn't expect T-Dog to bite the dust (no pun intended) either.

I'll say it again, the stories are good BUT I think the acting makes this show even better.

TIS


"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK

"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

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I was really surprised that Tdog and Lori died. I thought for sure that Merle would get revenge on Tdog. But he went out as a hero. Do you think that Carol is alive? Rick's reaction just broke my heart. My Son seems to think that Lori is alive IDK.


Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12


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SPOILER Here's part of the last few minutes of the show. I'm telling you, it makes me cry. cry



TIS

http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/vi...d-killer-within


On the WD site there's clip of cast/crew talking about it. The producer (I believe) said he thought the killing of T-Dog would make the audience think that THAT was the cast member who would die and the plan was we wouldn't see Laurie's death coming...and we didn't.

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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK

"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

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