Supposedly he was part of the McBratney killing but he didn't pull the trigger. Other than that there's no proof he took part in a murder other than that there's only rumours of what happened to DeSimeone and Favara.
only being an effective member of organized crime it means it's very possible he killed personally although there is not any evidence in the trials and outside people knows it
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: m2w]
#667600 09/24/1203:38 PM09/24/1203:38 PM
only being an effective member of organized crime it means it's very possible he killed personally although there is not any evidence in the trials and outside people knows it
You're right but you'd think if he had Sammy would've knew about it and if he did you'd think he would've mentioned it.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Camarel]
#667602 09/24/1203:47 PM09/24/1203:47 PM
Supposedly he was part of the McBratney killing but he didn't pull the trigger. Other than that there's no proof he took part in a murder other than that there's only rumours of what happened to DeSimeone and Favara.
Massino did name him as the Vito Borelli triggerman IIRC. An then there's whatever happened to that codefendant of Dellacroce who disappeared in Florida.
Really? If that's the case, the bastard deserved to get his ass kicked. I never understood how the public could love a scumbag like John Gotti
Yeah! I didn't believe this guy at first but he started sounding really convinsing later. He did show me his old prison ID card from Marion Prison and some other proof. He's also an old outlaw biker kind of guy.....
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
Last edited by Wilson; 09/24/1205:23 PM.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667614 09/24/1205:25 PM09/24/1205:25 PM
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone!
John Gotti was never "Boss of Bosses." He held zero influence over Chin and the Genovese family while he was boss of the Gambinos and on the street (1985-1990).
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
The Chin would sooner eat horse shit than take orders from Gotti. Gigante hated the bastard. Personally I'm not a Gotti fan. Dude was an asshole and a scumbag. Some Mobsters are more likeable than others. Gotti to me wasn't one of them.
"Don't ever go against the family again. Ever"- Michael Corleone
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667622 09/24/1205:57 PM09/24/1205:57 PM
Really? If that's the case, the bastard deserved to get his ass kicked. I never understood how the public could love a scumbag like John Gotti
Yeah! I didn't believe this guy at first but he started sounding really convinsing later. He did show me his old prison ID card from Marion Prison and some other proof. He's also an old outlaw biker kind of guy.....
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
I think you've read to much into the media version of JG as others have said he wasn't boss of bosses it can actually be argued Gigante was the more powerful boss.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667629 09/24/1206:32 PM09/24/1206:32 PM
Really? If that's the case, the bastard deserved to get his ass kicked. I never understood how the public could love a scumbag like John Gotti
Yeah! I didn't believe this guy at first but he started sounding really convinsing later. He did show me his old prison ID card from Marion Prison and some other proof. He's also an old outlaw biker kind of guy.....
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
Yeah, but Gotti's beatdown at the hands of that black floor sweeper soon traveled throughout the prison. That couldn't have been good for Gotti's ego or status! A boss of a major crime family getting physically assaulted by some common thug -- not very good PR!
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone!
John Gotti was never "Boss of Bosses." He held zero influence over Chin and the Genovese family while he was boss of the Gambinos and on the street (1985-1990).
He was the boss of bosses to the public eye. You can't deny that.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667634 09/24/1206:53 PM09/24/1206:53 PM
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone!
John Gotti was never "Boss of Bosses." He held zero influence over Chin and the Genovese family while he was boss of the Gambinos and on the street (1985-1990).
He was the boss of bosses to the public eye. You can't deny that.
Yeah that's what i was meaning the media use this title to make it seem more dramatic at one point they said Galante was BOB even though he wasn't even fully recognized as boss of the Bonannos .
Supposedly he was part of the McBratney killing but he didn't pull the trigger. Other than that there's no proof he took part in a murder other than that there's only rumours of what happened to DeSimeone and Favara.
Massino did name him as the Vito Borelli triggerman IIRC. An then there's whatever happened to that codefendant of Dellacroce who disappeared in Florida.
I'd take what massino says with a grain of salt. Also i think massino meant taht gotti set up the murder and didnt actually kill him himself. The co-defendent in Florida was Tony Plate who even at age 66 was regarded as a psychopath. I've heard that gotti ordered wilie boy and angelo to take care of plate
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667648 09/24/1208:59 PM09/24/1208:59 PM
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone!
John Gotti was never "Boss of Bosses." He held zero influence over Chin and the Genovese family while he was boss of the Gambinos and on the street (1985-1990).
He was the boss of bosses to the public eye. You can't deny that.
Ya but he wasnt feared by the media or by the other families to be honest. Also Gotti was never the boss of bosses. In fact Big paul was way more powerful in his reign than gotti was in his
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#667654 09/24/1209:32 PM09/24/1209:32 PM
Yes, it's precisely because Gotti maintained such an idiotically high public profile--because his "public" regarded him as the face of the Mafia--that he could never be acknowledged by other bosses as capo di tutti capi. Gambino earned respect as the top guy by keeping a low profile and by staying out of prison. Gotti served two felony sentences on his way up. Some other bosses did, too. But Gotti also stood trial (briefly) for beating up that Polish truckdriver. "I FORGOTTI" read the headline in the Daily News. The public ate it up. Gotti ate it up. Other Dons must have wondered what kind of idiot would get involved in a fistfight with some nobody when he had all that muscle around. The public loved the "Teflon Don" who beat two more felony raps--but he was denied bail both times, as well as the third and last rap, on which he was convicted. He spent an awful lot of time in jail as Don.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
In the past I mentioned that my father was the court clerk for the Commission case. John Gotti also stood trial before my father's judge for one of his cases, in the Southern District of NY. My father's judge denied Gotti's bail and denied bail for every other mafioso to come through his courtroom. He had a real hard on for mafioso and never granted bail. Ever.
Gotti definitely had a charm about him; but for me, I just always had a hard time getting past the whole Favara incident.
La madre degli idioti e' sempre incinta.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: carmela]
#667660 09/24/1210:02 PM09/24/1210:02 PM
In the past I mentioned that my father was the court clerk for the Commission case. John Gotti also stood trial before my father's judge for one of his cases, in the Southern District of NY. My father's judge denied Gotti's bail and denied bail for every other mafioso to come through his courtroom. He had a real hard on for mafioso and never granted bail. Ever.
Gotti definitely had a charm about him; but for me, I just always had a hard time getting past the whole Favara incident.
As a italian i have no respect for mobsters but the subject of the mafia does interest me. However gotti just seemed to be an idiot to me. Lets face it with dellacroce gotti would have remained an errand boy
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: JCrusher]
#667662 09/24/1210:09 PM09/24/1210:09 PM
In the past I mentioned that my father was the court clerk for the Commission case. John Gotti also stood trial before my father's judge for one of his cases, in the Southern District of NY. My father's judge denied Gotti's bail and denied bail for every other mafioso to come through his courtroom. He had a real hard on for mafioso and never granted bail. Ever.
Gotti definitely had a charm about him; but for me, I just always had a hard time getting past the whole Favara incident.
As a italian i have no respect for mobsters but the subject of the mafia does interest me. However gotti just seemed to be an idiot to me. Lets face it with dellacroce gotti would have remained an errand boy
I don't respect anybody fully but my own family. Period.
Mafia doesn't interest me at all. I am not phased one way or the other. The only reason I posted in this thread is b/c he stood trial in my father's courtroom and figured I'd contribute.
La madre degli idioti e' sempre incinta.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: carmela]
#667663 09/24/1210:16 PM09/24/1210:16 PM
In the past I mentioned that my father was the court clerk for the Commission case. John Gotti also stood trial before my father's judge for one of his cases, in the Southern District of NY. My father's judge denied Gotti's bail and denied bail for every other mafioso to come through his courtroom. He had a real hard on for mafioso and never granted bail. Ever.
Gotti definitely had a charm about him; but for me, I just always had a hard time getting past the whole Favara incident.
As a italian i have no respect for mobsters but the subject of the mafia does interest me. However gotti just seemed to be an idiot to me. Lets face it with dellacroce gotti would have remained an errand boy
I don't respect anybody fully but my own family. Period.
Mafia doesn't interest me at all. I am not phased one way or the other. The only reason I posted in this thread is b/c he stood trial in my father's courtroom and figured I'd contribute.
dude i wasnt trying to insult you i was agreeing with you lol. I have agreed with pretty much all of your points you have made in the thread. i think you misunderstood me
dude i wasnt trying to insult you i was agreeing with you lol. I have agreed with pretty much all of your points you have made in the thread. i think you misunderstood me
She's a dudess.
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Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: carmela]
#667666 09/24/1210:20 PM09/24/1210:20 PM
^^^ You're right. Sorry if it seemed I was coming down on you.
PS...don't call me dude.
No problem just try not to jump to conclusions especially with someone who thinks you make a lot of great points lol
Fair enough.
Anyway getting back to topic i agree with you the favara murder was uncalled for. I feel for the guy for losing his son but it was an accident even though victoria gotti claimed it was because she is a dumbass lol.
I don't think Gotti was weak physically or in fights, I don't see where even guys who turned on him said anything like that. I believe inmate Johnson went nuts and attacked him, based on talking to corrections officer I know (my brother, and other family members) Gotti had been in prison before, I think in 1977, wouldn't a coward reputation would have followed him onto streets ?
Yeah, Gotti had been in prison in the late 60s as well. He always seemed to be the kind of guy who didn't mind getting physical if needed. In '84 he got into that fracas with the refrigerator mechanic who was upset that Gotti's friend, Frank Colletta, had double-parked and was blocking the street. John Gotti and his brother Gene looked like typical throwback bruiser types!
That refrigerator mechanic, Romuel Piecyk, had a record himself, several arrests for assault among them. Maybe they had common friends who got him to not testify. I wonder if he was even really a refrigerator mechanic. He certainly was not innocent in the fight, he had attacked a smaller man who was Gotti's friend over a parking spot.
Re: John Gotti after been beaten up
[Re: Wilson]
#667703 09/25/1208:44 AM09/25/1208:44 AM
You gotta remember John Gotti was the boss of bosses. He was the boss of everyone when he was in power. I mean everyone! Think about it and if you were in his shoes. The boss of the Gambino crime family. I mean think about it for just a second. How would you feel if someone didn't listen to you even if you were in prison? What if you just let him do what he wanted and it got back to people in prison that some guy got away with not listening to John Gotti? Imagine if you were in Gottis shoes? Talk travels fast and rumors move fast in prison. Of course he was gonna have a big ego and if I was him I would have done the same thing. The guy no matter if you liked it or not, demanded respect. Thats one of the main reasons they made him boss to begin with. Cause he didn't take shit from anyone! He stood up for himself. If some dumb fuck scumbag floor sweeper wants to not listen to John Gotti, then I'm proud to know that John Gotti stood up for himself. He was old school and old school Italians don't like black people. To them blacks are the scum of the earth. Thats just how it is and always will be.
As far as I am concerned ,that black floor sweeper cleaner can go fuck himself.
Your taking this a little personally aint ya? Was gotti your uncle or something. Wonder what was said to him after he was beaten.....
