Cool part from an article,found it on "Joe Bruno On The Mob" site about a connection between C.Gambino and big time drug dealer Louis Civillo(wich i cant find any info bout this guy) and the "suspicious" law against dope placed by the N.Y. Mob Bosses at the time...

While recuperating at home, Gambino broke one of the laws he decreed himself — “Deal Drugs and Die.” Acting Genovese boss Thomas “Tommy Ryan” Eboli approached Gambino with a “can’t miss” proposition to broker a multi-million dollar drug deal with Louis Civillo, considered by the Feds to be the biggest narcotics dealer in America. The problem was, Eboli, a former boxing manager and notoriously bad gambler, did not have the $4 million needed to proceed with the operation. Gambino fronted Eboli the $4 million, but he lost it all when the Feds arrested Civillo, and confiscated the drugs and money. When Gambino approached Eboli about his missing $4 million, Eboli turned his pockets inside out, indicating he was flat broke.

This did not please Gambino too much. As a result, at approximately 1 a.m., on July 16, 1972, Eboli was shot five times while he was leaving his girlfriend’s apartment in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Eboli died on the spot, and Gambino had enough influence in the Mafia Commission to order that his close pal, Genovese captain Frank “Funzi” Tieri, would now be the new boss of the Genovese Family. And so it was done.

were the genoveses agree to kill eboli or the gambino did it by themselves?

Well we all know CG was a very influenital mob boss with the power of removin bosses and placing his own "puppets" and orchastrating many scheems and manipulations,so my opinion is that he had the back up by most of the Genovese crew

If it was Carlo the whole Benny Squint being boss thing must've been bs.

We all know that the Genovese family is the misterious crime family over the years,but Tieri had similar tactics as Carlo Gambino,puppeteer skills,proof about that is the killings of Angelo Bruno and Tony Bananas.I think that Carlo Gambino wasted a lot of his time takin over the Genovese family,Bonannos and Colombos and making pact with the Luccheses,so that he forgot his own fam,meaning he had no "pupeteer" in his fam to replace him after his death,Paul wasnt one and neither Dellacroce

You're right Funzis roles in their deaths are disputed though. Some say it was Funzi who convinced Tony to kill Bruno and he'd have his back against the commission which was just a ploy to take over Atlantic City. Others say it was simply a plot tok take over the family by Caponigro so he got killed for whacking a boss supposedly by the chins crew.

if eboli had to borrow 4 million from another boss and then lost it, im guessing they probably did agree to it.

Why couldnt he get $4 million together anyway if he was boss of a family?

Well in the same year Bruno was killed,Tieri had a commision meeting to explain his innocence,after that Tony was killed by Chins crew who sent Mad Dog Sullivan to do the job and that same year Tieri was the first mafia boss who was charged by RICO,so after that the Chin became boss from the shadows with few mob bosses as fronts

Same as the Bugsy Siegel situation

I've heard all this before but who exactly is the source on this?I'm not disagreeing with you i've just always been sceptical of this story because i've never heard where this came from.

Yes im a little bit sceptical bout the story too,but think it like this...a mob boss like Bruno,who was connected with one of the most powerful mafia boss CG,and at the time the Atlantic city casino situation was commin up and after CG's death,Bruno was shot and after the bloody Philly war,alot of FBI reoprts sad that Scarfo was reporting back to the Genovese's in NY,even CRazy Phil Leonetti sad that too,so i think if the Genovese crew took cut from the Philly mob somethin was hapening before,meaning Tieri,Gambino,Tony and Bruno situation

I agree completely agree it seems this was most likely what happened i just thought you were passing it off as fact my mistake . On the other hand it would've been a coincidence but maybe Genovese having influence over Philly was unrelated like the Gambinos influence over NE during Gottis reign.

Eboli was actually the Acting Underboss for Jerry Catena throughout the 60's and had only stepped up to the plate as boss when Catena was indicted in 1970. So that was two years of him running things, makes sense to me that he wasn't able to do it, especially if he was a poor investor. Again though even then who knows if Mike Miranda had more say or Benny Squint had more say or whatever.

I'd heard he was acting boss from the 60s for Genovese after Tony Benders death. Where did you hear he was acting underboss?

When Vito was sentenced to 15 years in prison in 1960, there was a speculation as who would replace the mob boss, but instead of a mob war,Catena was given the responsibility for the family's New Jersey operations, while Thomas Eboli ran the New York side of their family's business,so the guys were sort of a rivals..dont forget this is the mob

Supposedly Mike Miranda and Benny Squint were running the family with Catena and Eboli for Genovese . I've never heard of Tommy Ryan being acting underboss though .

Why would Eboli go to another boss and not borrow from own crime family ? I've read Joe Bruno, his stories are not so great, and his fact checking leaves a lot to be desired.

yes you're right bout Bruno's facts,but he aint the only one sayin that this hapend,by the way i wanted to ask a question bout Civillo gettin caught by the FBI with all the drugs,Carlo used to have a lot of police cheifs,agents(FBI,CIA)in his pocket and Eboli wasnt some average mobster from the street...so my point is he must've known about the raid so i think it was just another set up and manipulation orchastrated by Don Carlo,but "Why would Eboli go to another boss and not borrow from own crime family ?"..thats something i cant answer...maybe cuz drugs were "banned" at the time so you gotta go to the top and ask for permission or make a deal...dunno

We can basically only speculate of what really happened. We don´t know for sure.
What we do know is that the Genovese Family was extremely fractured during the 1960s and early 1970s. Thanks to wiretaps, we know that the ruling troika of Catena, Miranda and Eboli grew a distrust for eachother and Eboli was caught on tape badmouthing especially Catena. There were even talks about hitting people. There were also talks about Genovese getting hit if he was to be released from prison.
Eboli was the only one still supporting Genovese and when Genovese passed, Eboli found himself on the outside looking in. He lost his face and was disgraced.
At the end of his time, I believe, he rubbed many people the wrong way and was killed for it.

The story about him losing money because of Louie Cirillo getting caught, is in my opinion just rumors on the street speculated at that time. I think someone in lawenforcement started the rumors because he wanted to connect the Cirillo bust with the murder of Eboli. People seems to want to feel important when providing answers, even if they are wrong. The story, however, stuck and apparently still circulates the internet today.

I very much doubt that Gambino would have allowed his money being invested into an operation he in 1963 forbade his members venturing in. It doesn´t make any sense. And besides, Louie Cirillo would certainly had paid with his life loosing Gambino´s and Eboli´s money. This never happened.

I know i shouldnt answer your posts ,but this is the first thing i have to agree with you But as i sad i think Don Carlo didnt give a sh*t bout the drug deal,it was just another maneuver to place his close associets in other families.By the way is it Civillo or Cirillo(<-- this is the right one i think) cuz i cant find any inside info on that guy except this little part from the story written by T.L.Jones....

"One of Papa’s suppliers of drugs was Louis Cirillo. According to The Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (know today as the DEA,) Cirillo, during 1970 and 1971, was probably the biggest drug dealer in New York. A man with a fearsome reputation for violence, he once bit out a man’s Adam’s apple during a fight, and the word in the underworld was that ‘when Louis did a number on a victim, you had to leave the room.’ He was allegedly, Papa’s major heroin supplier.

He was arrested in Miami in 1972 and in January 1973, after a jury trial in the Southern District of New York, he was found guilty on two counts, and sentenced to two concurrent terms of 25 years imprisonment.

Cirillo was born in New York in 1924. He maintained he was a bagel baker, at Midtown Bagel Bakery in Manhattan, earning $200 a week, and lived in the Bronx, at 2907 Randall Avenue.

His employer later admitted that ‘he couldn’t bake a bagel if he had to.’ Apart from his claim to fame as a drug dealer, he is also linked, in an apocryphal way, to the murder of Tommy Eboli, the alleged boss of the Genovese crime family in the early 1970s. It is quite possible that Cirillo was a soldier in the Mafia family headed by Eboli.

Eboli it was claimed, raised $4 million from various mob bosses, including Carlo Gambino, to purchase drugs through Cirillo. When the drug dealer went down in 1972, agents digging up the back garden in his home in the Bronx, discovered $1,078, 100, which it was assumed was some of this mob cash.

When Gambino demanded his share back, and Eboli reneged on the deal, he was shot dead, as punishment. Or so the legend goes."

That´s my point . Thom Jones´s article is based on assumptions, nothing else.

And yes, it is "Cirillo".

I agree with you again,most of the articles i read are based on assumptions(you gotta start from somewhere),but when you collect all the assumptions and some rare true facts,you can get all the puzzles together and create the whole picture...by the way do you have any inside info on Cirillo?

I found something on case against Cirilo. I was surprised to see they bought it in from Montreal, and not right into United States.



http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/united-america-louis-cirillo-defendant-36771053

Nice find.

I know that Cirillo, while out on bail awaiting trial in the heroin case, was back in custody arrested for and accused of plotting to murder a prosecution witness. I don´t know if this accusation went on trial but the police said at the time, the new charge stemmed from an alleged plot to blow up a building in Staten Island where the witness, Roger Preiss, was held in protective custody.

I found an article, published in the Hereld Statesman, March 2, 1984 interesting.

"French connection figure convicted again"

"A major figure in the "French connection" heroin smuggling scheme of the early 1970s was convicted Thursday of running a narcotics ring from prison. Louis Cirillo. 60, who was sentenced in 1972 to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking, was found guilty of arranging heroin deals from his cell in the Federal Correctional Institution at Otisville. Cirillo was convicted of a narcotics conspiracy charge and attempted possession of two kilograms of heroin. Assistant U.S. Attorney Peter J. Romatowski said Cirillo faces up to 30 years in prison for each charge, double the normal penalty because of his previous record.
He was convicted aftera six-day trial before Judge Dudley B. Bonsai at U.S. District Court in Manhattan. The jury deliberated 2 and a half hours.
According to the government's case, Cirillo directed a heroin organization operated in New York City by his son and others. Cirillo's son, Louis Cirillo Jr., 26, was sentenced Jan. 3 to five years in prison for his role in the ring. Ralph Battista, 34, of the Bronx, was sentenced to seven years and Anthony Fantasia, age not available, was
sentenced to three years. The prosecutor said defendant Alex Metro of Queens is a fugitive.
At the time of his 1972 conviction, Cirillo was considered one of the major heroin
traffickers in the United States. He was involved in importing large amounts of heroin concealed inside cars shipped to the United States by way of France and Canada, authorities said. The scheme, known as the "French connection" was much like the subject of a movie by the same name."

Thanx for the info Jace

Do ya think a mobster would be upset if they caught their wife or gf using drugs? Do mobsters still have a strong belief in not using drugs even though they make money off of them?

No offence but i hate when people talk about mobsters as a group on these issues as if they all think alike at the end of the day they're just people so to answer your question imo some do some don't.

Hmmm good question. How about this one: Do ya think a mobster would be upset if they caught their wife or gf screwing another man? Do mobsters still have strong belief in not fucking other men even though they make money off of prostitution?

I love your hypothetical questions.

^ ^ ^ this blew me off cheers