No he won't, as evidenced from the wiretapped conversations of all his underlings complaining of what a spaccone he is and how he was simply a figure head for Limone. He doesn't command respect, therefore he will prove to be an insignificant leader.

Didn't Carmen Dinunzio work for Spilotro in Vegas back in the day? What was the story there? I remeber hearing that he split town because because he robbed the Angiulos.

Yea for like 80,000 soMehow chicago took him in and he vot permission to come bsck after he did time with boston(ANGUILO)APPROVAL

NO-they's won't

I recall reading that he may have owed the money to Dee Dee Gioacchini and had to tide things over with him prior to coming back. Is Dee Dee on the shelf? Also something I read. He went away awhile back with Freddie Simone. Not sure where those guys stand right now.

limone will just apoint a new street boss with the springfield crew in mass defunct and worcester theres way to much money to be made in gambling in mass, were a betting state millions every weekend. howie winter shaking people down he's like 90ty to much money to stop and all these guys have tons of grandkids ready to smack a degenerit for not paying. the whole state is open now they gave the guy emilio fusco 25 yrs today they shouldnt have killed al bruno they screwed up.

Im pretty sure it was anguilo but you may be right because dee deee had something to do with it and yes i heard he is on the shelf as well and think he still working at the filipo restiraunt ....if limone points a strees/acting boss it should be a underboss or longtime capo like spag or martorano thats low key and have respect period such as limone himself and have all the capos return to one capo that limonr and the street boss trust and know that way it wont be no rosetti or angelo mercurio thing ....the way patraoca had tameleo and anguilo giving and taking orders through them unless he wanted to talk tAlk to them and have them Report to him only that way it prevents alot of stuff and its proper chain of commaNd

What about Vinny the Animal" Ferrara, is he really retired..?

Good question idk know his son and daughter opend few resturants bars famous one on thatcher vinny got caught on wire asking or loaning something buf was nothing but you ask me he is the consigliere no one mentions and prob dont have a clue but hes as big player violent big earner well respected and in real good with the old man but he been as low key since i can remember so who knows but u ask my old vinny is one of those that call the shots

Joe it seems you know what you're talking about when it come to NE. So how would you say they currently measure up against Chicago or Philly ? I understand you may not know as much about the other 2 but the FBI estimates more or less rank the 3 as equal .

I'd put Chicago above NE and Philly. More organized at this point

Could you elaborate please? I don't see how you could say this with the little that's currently knownn about the Outfit in comparison . Also the little amount of activity that comes out of Chicago nowadays i'd buy some of it's due to secrecy but i think it's ridiculous to assume they're that secretive that it almost seems they're not active at all.

Look at philly and boston, they both have huge indictments to top guys while Chicago has none of that going on. To say there not active shows you dont know much about chicago

Reread what i said. I said they've got very little activity and people assume that's because they're that secretive you're first sentence makes my point for me. Think of the last 10 years compare cases between Chicago ,NE ,NY and Philly it seems there's not as much going on in Chicago in comparison you may attribute that to secrecy but i don't .

Ok so your saying a family is only active and powerful if they get tons of arrests. So the Colombos have more power than the Genovese. And i dont think someone from scottland knows if they're active

The reason why you are seeing these families not getting in trouble, is because they are not giving the feds the opportunity or evidence to convict them of a crime.

Do you realize that the Feds go on for years building up evidence against someone to convict them of stuff? They do not work like your local barney fife guy patrolling the street. It sometimes takes years for them to get enough evidence to take guys down. It doesn't happen overnight. The Feds want so much evidence that its a slam dunk case when all is said and done.

Also people learn how to avoid prosecution over time. What you are seeing is proof that people in power are becoming smarter. Its a cat and mouse game plain and simple.

I agree to disagree because yes chicago is more secretive and yes the indictments in philly and ne prove easier penetration but remember Chicago last indictment hit them hard the administration long time capos and revieled different source of income players and unsolved murders putting things together up to active time ... With me and Philly they been knew what's was going and the players so it was about the Feds stopping and proving them and proving through history it's through a rat that they always figure things out and rarely information they come across so said all that I say they all even cause its hard stopping two families they know all about and just hardto prove things unless someone rats and boom indictment sometimes 1 4 10 20 even 50' man indictments where in Chicago it's secretive but at the sametime reconstuctng secretive but exposed and devasted

Family secrets was as big as the feds made it out to be. The only reason it was so important was because it was Franks son who ratted. Calabrese was a soldier marcello was acting boss and lombardo was semi retired. In my opinion this philly case is way worse. Took out their boss, underboss, consliegre, and a couple capos amd soldiers.

But all to be replaces cause they prepare for things like this in Chicago they don't and didn't expect it don't forget uncle calbrese end up ratting when he heard his nephew ratted and more indictments came out they wasn't prepared and for the predecessors to be successful and no family shuffle it's hard for all we know there's a war about to start in Chicago and if not bodys dropping and a couple have dropped more than a couple and in Philly they might beat it and if not they are prepared for guys who is ready to step in for Lombardo semi retired they say accordo was semi retired and he called all the shots and had all types of people wacked including so called boss so idk what semi retired really means

family secrets still didnt do that much. Yes they lost a couple important guys but still many key guys weren't arrested.

We don't even know the structure in Chicago never mind how many key figures and they lost more than a few many key players went down

we know most of the structure. check out the chart most of it is accurate.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gif

Joe Lombardo, Frank Calabrese, Jimmy Marcello, Anthony Doyle, and Paul Schiro. Only a few of those 5 were key players (calabrese, lombardo, and marcello)

Again read Nicky whether i'm from Scotland or not i never said they weren't active. There's a big difference comparing the Colombos to the Genovese considering the size difference than the Outfit to Philly or NE since they're supposed to be about the same size. Tbh though there's not much point discussing this with you cos you believe the Outfit are so untouchable that they're as Active as say Philly but can easily mask they're presence .

So by your accounts the Outfit have 57 made men, the FBI believe them to only have 28 members, I know who I'd rather believe.

more than 58, recount it. and when did i say they were untouchable?

You didn't but you've constantly either not read my comments or put words into my mouth about the Outfit not being active what i never said.

He's right though the FBI estimated them at 28 made men i would trust them over an internet chart.

*key word estimated
so that means their not 100% sure. That chart is accurate you think he just randomly came up with these names and pictures?

I think it says alot when someone from Chicago calls the FBI inaccurate .

My take on chicago is this: strong but limited.

They are stronger and slightly bigger than NE and Philly. But their activity remains around equal with more clout in things like extortion, construction and Unions.

I'd put Chicago at about 28 "formally" made men. But you can add a whole host of people who are soldiers, but didn't get the prick of the finger.

The Outfit has structure, which enables them to be successful, but they don't have the power they did 30 years ago.