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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #665961
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I think Romney may do the impossible - he's gonna end up making Joe Biden look like a brain surgeon.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #665976
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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
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^^^well their is something in those returns that will put a negative light on his campaign, hence why he refuses to release them.

Romney gave 20 years of tax returns to McCain to be vetted for VP back in 2008, McCain then chose Palin...


McCain chose Palin to attract Hillary votes. If he was in serious business of vetting, he wouldn't have chosen Palin in the first place. tongue

He might very well release those returns near the election to show there's nothing interesting there. I think Democrats should not make an issue of this anyway. Feels like walking into a trap of making him look good for what he has been supposed to do in the first place: paying his taxes and using every way conceivable to pay less and then releasing them to public before election.


Your ABSOLUTELY right about him looking for ways to pay less, etc we all do that the best we can.

The dems want to paint Obama as an outsider, muslim, unamerican, birther, etc then he romney should continue to get hounded on the tax issue. Personally, I am happy the democractic party has grown a pair and actually tries to fight back against these negative attacks from the gop with their own negative attacks. In the past they would just let the gop run all over them and not fight back (kerry swift boat). Politics is a dirty game unfortunately.


On another note, I have been quite busy the past few days but just caught on tv the idiotic comments romney made about the recent embassy attacks. The guy might as well save himself the time/embarrassment and just give up if he is going to continue to make these dumb slip-ups. The guy has been running for president since the last election and he still cant get it right. You gotta feel for the guy.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #665993
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While Fox News was trying to give the Romney comments a positive spin, Mitt Romney did a very foolish thing. For the same reason that the members of Congress stood on the steps of the Capitol and sang yesterday, when there is a crisis, America must show solidarity. To politicize the death of Americans is a disgusting move, and one I didn't think he was capable of. And to say he was "outraged" by the Obama administration's remarks, when it was a statement released by the Egyptian embassy with no connection to the White House, was really beneath even this Republican campaign.

Sarah Palin's Facebook comments were truly disgusting, and I wish she would go curl back under the the polar bear she crawled out from. If these are the faces that the Republicans want to put on their platform, I'm nauseated by them.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #665996
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To be clear, the Cairo Emabassy released the statement hours before the attack on the Libyan embassy. They were trying to mollify the crowd.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #666007
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
The dems want to paint Obama as an outsider, muslim, unamerican, birther, etc then he romney should continue to get hounded on the tax issue. Personally, I am happy the democractic party has grown a pair and actually tries to fight back against these negative attacks from the gop with their own negative attacks. In the past they would just let the gop run all over them and not fight back (kerry swift boat). Politics is a dirty game unfortunately.


On another note, I have been quite busy the past few days but just caught on tv the idiotic comments romney made about the recent embassy attacks. The guy might as well save himself the time/embarrassment and just give up if he is going to continue to make these dumb slip-ups. The guy has been running for president since the last election and he still cant get it right. You gotta feel for the guy.


I agree that politics is a dirty game and nice guys don't win elections. However, there's plenty to work with that we already know all about it: Bain, Ryan's relentless lying, Romney's record of running companies, Romney's religion and so on and so forth. A good lawyer wouldn't call to stand a witness whose testimony is not clear. That's how those tax returns might backfire.

On a funny note, Colbert said something to the effect that if Romney wants his question of "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" answered, he must release two more years of his tax returns. lol

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It's really a disgrace for Muslims how things went down in Libya. Some were gathered, being quite apologetic about what happened:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #666022
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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77


It's really a disgrace for Muslims how things went down in Libya. Some were gathered, being quite apologetic about what happened:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer



Apparently it was ordinary Libyan citizens that tried to help out the Americans trapped in the compound, and they were also the ones that carried Chris Stevens to the hospital.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #666024
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


Sarah Palin's Facebook comments were truly disgusting, and I wish she would go curl back under the the polar bear she crawled out from. If these are the faces that the Republicans want to put on their platform, I'm nauseated by them.



At least the GOP was smart enough to lock her out of the RNC.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666046
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It's terrible to judge a people by one group. Would Americans want to be judged by that crazy Baptist group that protests outside of soldiers' funderals? Or by the KKK? It's the same thing.

Yes, they want to be seen as distancing themselves from Palin, but yet they need that far right that she appeals to.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #666051
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AP now says that the producer of the film isn't an Israeli Jew--he's a Coptic Christian Egyptian with a felony record. And the actors are claiming that the anti-Muslim dialog was overdubbed without their knowledge.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Turnbull] #666053
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
AP now says that the producer of the film isn't an Israeli Jew--he's a Coptic Christian Egyptian with a felony record.

Sounds like Michael Richards claiming to be Jewish after one of his racial meltdowns. When a reporter confronted him with evidence that he had a Catholic upbringing and education, and was actually a high ranking Mason, his response was that he always "felt" Jewish rolleyes.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666055
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I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism purely for the jokes.
And this offends you as a Jewish person?
No, it offends me as a comedian.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: carmela] #666059
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Originally Posted By: carmela
I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism purely for the jokes.
And this offends you as a Jewish person?
No, it offends me as a comedian.

grin

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The screenshot of Jerry Seinfeld sitting on the kneeler in the confessional is forever burned into my brain. In a good way. Classic! grin


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666077
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Well, I watched a clip from this movie and sound didn't feel right. I think this dubbing claim sounds legit. But all said and done, no matter how bizarre a movie, book, etc, it doesn't warrant such violent acts. So what if someone wants to make a silly movie such as this or set Qur'an on fire? I wonder how many more of these incidents it would take to make Muslims desensitized about this issue, if it ever would. ohwell


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #666111
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #666124
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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Well, I watched a clip from this movie and sound didn't feel right. I think this dubbing claim sounds legit. But all said and done, no matter how bizarre a movie, book, etc, it doesn't warrant such violent acts. So what if someone wants to make a silly movie such as this or set Qur'an on fire? I wonder how many more of these incidents it would take to make Muslims desensitized about this issue, if it ever would. ohwell



A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #666128
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.

There are crazies everywhere. Can't condemn an entire religion or political organization for their wingnuts. And "The Passion of the Christ" incident was certainly proof of that. All organized religions have their faults, but I honestly feel that those that don't proselytize are the most "rational," if that's the proper term.

I mean, you don't see Catholics or Jews handing out flyers or ringing doorbells on Sunday mornings. For the most part, their faith is a bit more "private" than some of the more aggressive religious groups who always seem to be recruiting. But having said that, I certainly recognize the fact that there are plenty of fanatical Jews and Catholics in this world.

In short, another person's religious affiliation is nothing to get your balls in a bunch about.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666131
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Hey Pizzaboy hows it hanging

I'm doing well, buddy. How is your situation going?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666138
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I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full


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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.


Haha I'm about to go visit him in a little bit. I hope they give me an extra day and don't try and send him home I have to get a bed for him for downstairs temporarily and then we have a nurse coming to the house. Originally he had a clogged artery but since he is a diabetic that procedure didn't work. He's 67 never did drugs,never smoked, and drank but always within moderation nothing heavy which I think a lot of those factors made him strong that was only his 2nd time being admitted to the hospital in his life the first time was for a bee sting..... I'm going to stay at my parents house to him through this the next month or two.

Sorry for getting off topic guys...had to vent


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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.
I was watching a documentary about Monty Pythons a few months ago and they had the same problem when "Life of Brian" came out. I suppose you are right. ohwell

BTW, happy birthday! Wish you a great day! smile


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #666187
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I'm alright. My dad had a double bi-pass and is coming up today or tomorrow so I got my hands full

Don't be sneaking him a Philly cheesesteak. He'll try to guilt you, but don't fall for it smile.


Haha I'm about to go visit him in a little bit. I hope they give me an extra day and don't try and send him home I have to get a bed for him for downstairs temporarily and then we have a nurse coming to the house. Originally he had a clogged artery but since he is a diabetic that procedure didn't work. He's 67 never did drugs,never smoked, and drank but always within moderation nothing heavy which I think a lot of those factors made him strong that was only his 2nd time being admitted to the hospital in his life the first time was for a bee sting..... I'm going to stay at my parents house to him through this the next month or two.

Sorry for getting off topic guys...had to vent


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: afsaneh77] #666204
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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
A few years ago when a movie called "The Last Temptation of Christ" U.S. "christians" killed someone attending the movie, and threatened to bomb several theatres. Religious fnatics exist in all religions.
I was watching a documentary about Monty Pythons a few months ago and they had the same problem when "Life of Brian" came out. I suppose you are right. ohwell

BTW, happy birthday! Wish you a great day! smile


Any problems with Monty Python movie and Last Temptation of Christ are not even comparable in any way to what went on last few days. Murders by mob, riots, al over a 12 minute youtube video. There are also reports the ambassador was sodomized by rioters before he was killed.

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Originally Posted By: jace
Any problems with Monty Python movie and Last Temptation of Christ are not even comparable in any way to what went on last few days. Murders by mob, riots, al over a 12 minute youtube video. There are also reports the ambassador was sodomized by rioters before he was killed.


I think the point was that extremists are part of every religion, and unfortunately have louder voices than the rest. At any case, there's no excuse for what happened. This is a disgrace for Muslim community. Worse than that, though they condemn it, they still try to manipulate the 1st amendment rights. Absolutely no excuse.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #666212
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(Not sure if this has gone beyond the Election topic.)
I watched the video yesterday. Strange thing: Every time the name "Mohammed" or "Quran" is mentioned, the sound and the voice are changing, out of sync. So, I think, the actors didn't know what they were doing. And possibly their lives are at risk now.

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Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Worse than that, though they condemn it, they still try to manipulate the 1st amendment rights. Absolutely no excuse.

The First Amendment is a necessary evil, Afs. If you took the American way of life and reduced it to a few paragraphs, it would spell out the First Amendment because it equals freedom.

But there are times (like with the Westboro Church, for instance) when you almost wish that that particular freedom wasn't there. Almost.

Hiding behind the First Amendment to further a radical cause is disgusting and it isn't what the Founding Fathers intended. But like I said, it's a necessary evil and a small trade-off when you look at the big picture.


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Hear, hear! smile


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Basically, I agree PB. However, it's important to keep the following in mind because, as you've pointed out, some people just run to daylight with the 1st amendment's wording that precludes government wholesale restrictions on speech and press.

First off, it was not the Founding Fathers who composed or ratified any of the 10 amendments. Those amendments were redacted from James Madison's speech as a member of the 1st Congress under the Constitution. That Congress was composed of about 90 members of which only about 20 had been at the Constitutional Convention. The Congress was populated by members who had been elected; the delegates to the Convention had been appointed by their states governing bodies. Thus, the Congress had a different concept of Nation and governing than the delegates had.

It's also important to understand that the common law at the time held a defendant potentially liable for even political statements even if they were true. Thus, freedom of speech and press was largely interpreted as preveting government from stopping someone from speaking or publishing. The 1798 Sedition laws passed by the Federalist Congress built on this concept resulting in several successful prosecutions. Even the Jefferson administration in 1801 did not move to repeal the Sedition laws; they simply waited until they expired later that year.

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Notice that you don't see Obama braging about his marathon times - if he makes up a time like Ryan did it will renew the "see -he really is a Kenyan" issue.


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Christopher Moltisanti: You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease?

Tony Soprano: Yeah well, when you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
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