Which is kind of sad. I think part of the problem is that not enough people knew or understood the real connection.

But I'm not sure no one cares in 2012. The movie 2016 is doing good numbers and people have seen Obama for what he is over the last few years,

Bill Clinton may have just given the best political speech I ever heard.

No kidding. He knocked it out of the park didn't he? I forgot just how good he was.




TIS

I didn't even realize he spoke so long. When it was over, I thought it was 11PM.

I don't remember exactly when it was over but it lasted about twice as long as it was suppose to (I thin 48 min.)


TIS

Yeah, he definitely went long.

Was it a free speech? He didn't seem to use the teleprompters too much?

Gee, he is good. He gave me countless orgasms.

Clinton always delivers from the podium. Ironically, it was his address at the 1988 DNC when he was being primed as a future prominent, political figure when he nearly derailed his national career before it even started. His keynote address droned on, and when he finally said, "In conclusion," the convention gave a roaring cheer.

While people thought his career was over, he went on Johnny Carson, joked about it, and began his reputation as the "Comeback Kid." 4 years later when he stood before the convention, he joked that 4 years ago he started a speech and returned tonight to finish it.

Oh, by the way, the 1988 speech ran 33 minutes. Last night's masterpiece was 48 minutes, but Clinton's ability to speak clearly, colloquially and directly isn't going to make anyone complain about the length.

Two points that I'm glad Clinton raised:

Romney's campaign manager, when responding to the attacks on Ryan for his multiple inaccuracies and distortions, saying that the Romney campaign won't be dictated by fact searchers. I was kind of surprised that nobody was jumping on him for that.

And the attempt of republican state legislaures to minimize the voting impact of the elderly, the poor, the young and minorities through their Voter ID legislation.

Kly,

Yesterday they were talking about how long-winded Clinton was and referred to the speech you were talking about.

Evidently, some time after that speech, Clinton appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. They showed Johnny shaking Clinton's hand, Clinton sat down and immediately Johnny pulled an hourglass from under the desk and turned it upside down, as tho he was timing Clinton. It was hilarious.

But yea, he hit point by point and was great.


TIS

I had forgotten about Carson pulling out the hour glass.

Another appearance of Clinton that was surprising at the time, but worked out ok for him was on the Arsenio Hall Show. At that time presidential candidates didn't do that. moreover, he threw on some sun glasses and belted out a tune on the sax with the band.

It was a combination of both. Most of it was pre-written, but Clinton when off on his own quite a bit last night.

Oh yea, that's a classic. I remember it well.


TIS

This guy seems like hes really into his politics.


David Kappheim Told Girlfriend He Would 'Kill Her' Because She Is Liberal, Florida Police Say
Posted: 08/31/2012 1:29 pm Updated: 08/31/2012 1:29 pm


David Kappheim allegedly has very strong political views.
A Florida man "obsessed with Fox News and the Republican party" felt that his girlfriend was too "liberal" -- so he decided he had to kill her.

Police arrested David Kappheim, of Lake Park, on Saturday after the 60-year-old threatened a woman's life because of her supposed political orientation, according to a probable cause affidavit.

The report recounts several incidents in which Kappheim allegedly arrived "stark naked" at the home of his girlfriend's friend, choked his girlfriend and told her that he would "kill her and burn her home," the Palm Beach Post reports.

Kappheim explained to a sheriff’s deputy, “He was very conservative, and his girlfriend was liberal and he felt he was going to have kill her," according to the arrest affidavit, according to WPTV.

Earlier this week, Kappheim reportedly “laughed out loud" when his girlfriend said that his reckless driving was scaring her.

Kappheim is charged with domestic battery, aggravated assault and criminal mischief, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's website says.

Democracy, where the votes of two idiots are worth more than that of one wise man.

These crazy stories always happen in Florida.

But I am amused by the Manhattan woman who threw out her husbands absentee ballot in 2008 because she knows he votes Republican.

I have to agree, and I have heard tons of speeches in my life from accomplished people all over the place. This one is certainly up there amongst the top.

I think part of the reason people are raving about Bill's speech is because he's a novelty; someone we have not seen in the spotlight much in recent years and it was good to see him back again.

On the other hand, Obama is someone we see on television too much and that makes it hard for him to really wow the crowd tonight.

Obama's speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/d...927c_print.html

Anyone catch John Kerry's speech? And what about former MI Governor, Jennifer Granholm? WOW!!!!



TIS

Who knew John Kerry had a sense of humor?
That was definitely a good audition for Secretary of State.

That's what I was thinking. But damn, where the heck was that spirit when he ran?

Also, loved Granholm's comment about Mitt/GM. "He got the elevator & you got the shaft."


TIS

I thought the same thing. Kerry gave me the impression in 2004 that after he got "swift boated" and he fell behind in the polls, his heart was no longer in it. He seemed resigned to the fact he was going to lose.

Just started seeing this ad yesterday. A spoof on political ads. It's actually funny I think.


TIS

P.S. Don't worry it's neither Dem or Rep. It's just a spoof on both parties.

Obama last night did what Obama does best: orate. He gave a splendid speech. His speech was fantastic: literally, a fantasy. There is no way he can achieve any of the brilliant goals he outlined. He couldn’t do it when he had a solid majority in both houses of Congress, and hasn’t done squat since the GOP took over the House. If, as expected, they widen their control of the House and take the Senate, it’ll be four more years of gridlock. Granted, the GOP has interpreted its “duty” to the voters as not giving Obama anything he wants. But, the GOP controlled Congress during most of Clinton’s years, and he had the empathy, the political savvy and the personality to make it work. Obama doesn’t. And the Democratic Party is comatose.

I'm not from the US so my opinion means nothing. I agree with you're post entirely though it seems Obama is running for election rather than re-election . He blames to much of his own term on bush he's already added more to the US debt in 4 yeaars than Bush added in 8 without any economic impact other than a slight gdp growth .

Whether from the US or not, research before you type. The national debt increased from $6,405 trillion in 2002 to $12,311 trillion in 2009 = an increase of $5,906 trillion. The national debt increased $1,975 trillion from 2010 through present.

Clinton might've been savvy to get what he wanted from the republicans, but look at the price he paid, agreeing to deregulation of banks. I think being stuck in the gridlock sometimes is better than compromising on what's important. And not getting squat done, is better than policies republicans pursue that would mount debt on debt. And I think it's really harsh saying he accomplished squat in his first term, he got Osama, with fraction of bloodshed and expense of what Bush started, he managed to pass the medicare bill and has done lots of good in the renewable energy field.

Factcheck.org says as of Jan 31 2012 Bush added 4.90 trillion ( in his 8 years ) Obama added $4.73 ( in his 3 years at that point)

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

Some sources have since said the debt added under Obama has exceeded 5 trillion.