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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #663262
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Originally Posted By: olivant
A good analysis. One thng for members to keep in mind is that the FY 2009 federal budget was prepared by the Bush Administration. Prepearation of federal budgets by the Obama Administration did not begin until FY 2010.

In any case, most people focus on the increase in the National Debt. They don't realize that it is funded debt the interest payments on which only amount to about 6% of the annual federal budget.


Yep, I am a numbers/data guy. I generally support Democratic candidates but have voted Republican a few times in my short voting career. I personally try and cut through all the BS coming from either side and just look at the raw data and come to my own conclusion on what is going on. The big deciding factors for me are candidate's tax plans and their proposed economic agendas. Then Social programs (social security, medicare, etc) and education, then foreign policy/national security. I personally dont really care much about social issues (abortion, gay marriage) because I think the government shouldnt be sticking their nose in that arena so in that respect I am pro-choice and support gay marriage (which I used to be against).

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663328
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Oh, my. I don't think Mr. Ryan is a very good speaker. In contrast to Sarah Palin's speech at the last convention, which I thought was very well-delivered. Paul Ryan, you've somehow managed to combine condescending and boring.

One thing we did notice, we didn't see one person of color in the crowd. You're in Florida, and there aren't even any Latinos for you to parade in front of the camera??


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663330
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as soon as ron paul dropped out of the race it was over for me. romney and obama both make me equally sick. my vote would be for gary johnson.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663371
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Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #663390
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


The two nut throwers were removed from the arena...and offered their own talk shows on FOX News.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #663423
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That's awful. But you can't condemn an entire party for a couple of crazies.

As everyone here knows, I'm a moderate Democrat. But I never vote for a party. Ever. So I try to keep things objective if I can. These assholes were thrown out of the convention, as they should have been. End of story.

And what about that asshole from Yahoo? The guy gets picked up on tape saying that the Romneys are partying while Black people were drowning in New Orleans. Was that called for?

Assholes like him are the reason that many Black people have no use for White liberals. I'm glad he got fired.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #663430
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


The two nut throwers were removed from the arena...and offered their own talk shows on FOX News.



I think it's a fake hate crime. Why else would the story die down so quickly? It has been two days and we have heard nothing more, which is very suspicious.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #663433
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Keep It Classy Repubs

Probably won't help them get that swing vote but you never know...


Just like the story about the Tea Party surrounding a black congressman when Obamacare was passed and using the "N" word. But the story was never confirmed nor caught on video in an age when just about everything is.

After the Duke Lacrosse fiasco(and even Tawana Brawley), you really have to be skeptical about many of these stories.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663563
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No, you really don't. There are disgusting people of all walks of life. Glad these were dealt with handily.

Please note my comments above, though. We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663572
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^^^well there was NM Gov. Martinez lol

But you are absolutely right.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #663575
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You're absolutely right. AND, who do they get as their "surprise" speaker tonight? An old white guy: Clint Eastwood. lol




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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #663600
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
No, you really don't. There are disgusting people of all walks of life. Glad these were dealt with handily.

Please note my comments above, though. We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #663602
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.


The Yankees aren't running for the country's highest position. By not including a large segment of the nation's population at their convention they are doing themselves a lot of harm. One Condi Rice just doesn't cut it.


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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
We searched and searched every shot of the crowd and couldn't find one Asian, one Latino, but finally spotted one black man in the crowd. Thousands of people, and they're all white? How does that represent America?


Sounds like the racial makeup of a Yankees home game.


The Yankees aren't running for the country's highest position. By not including a large segment of the nation's population at their convention they are doing themselves a lot of harm. One Condi Rice just doesn't cut it.


Ok. And if there were a lot of blacks in the crowd, you all would be crying they're plants, nothing more than window dressing for show.

Blacks aren't a "large segment" of the population. That's why they're called a "minority".

Perhaps you missed the Mia Love speech? Yeah. I'm sure you did.

Or Marco Rubio? I think he's a minority. Susana Martinez? Pienso que ella es Latina!

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663605
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Well, the Fox pundits were underwhelmed again just like they were about Christie's speech. Megyn Kelly just said that "tonight he was Romney and we'll find out if that is good enough for the country."


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #663607
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Ok. And if there were a lot of blacks in the crowd, you all would be crying they're plants, nothing more than window dressing for show.

Blacks aren't a "large segment" of the population.


Don't make the mistake of trying to talk for me.

Blacks and Latinos make up over 25% of the population. I'd call that a large segment.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #663608
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, the Fox pundits were underwhelmed again just like they were about Christie's speech. Megyn Kelly just said that "tonight he was Romney and we'll find out if that is good enough for the country."


Extremists watch Fox News. People who watch that network are either extreme conservatives who live and die by the gospel according to Hannity, or extreme liberals looking for anything to pick apart.

One should be able to listen to the speeches and draw their own conclusions without help.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663609
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Then we should do away with affirmative action because they're minorities in name only.

How can anyone tell the racial makeup of the crowd? Especially Latinos, who are not always mestizo.

And I don't see how you can look at the crowd tonight and conclude racism without doing the same to sporting events, or even this board? How many African Americans post here? Are we a bunch of white racists because we congregate on a message board where I'll bet minorities, blacks in particular are underrepresented.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #663610
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And I don't see how you can look at the crowd tonight and conclude racism without doing the same to sporting events, or even this board? How many African Americans post here? Are we a bunch of white racists because we congregate on a message board where I'll bet minorities, blacks in particular are underrepresented.


I don't understand how you can even compare the two, but then again I don't understand how anyone can support the Republican agenda.


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I compare the two because I find the whites who are most vocal about racism are the ones who have the least amount of interaction with blacks or other minorities in their day-to-day lives.

And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #663612
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.


Again, I cannot follow any logic in your thinking. ohwell


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And what about the Republican agenda do you not like?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663624
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Washington Post Article

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ā€œThe demographics race weā€™re losing badly,ā€ said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). ā€œWeā€™re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.ā€


Black Republican's take on convention

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When I came into the party with George H.W. Bush, there was a pipeline of other African Americans who worked for the Republican National Committee in the headquarters, staffers who worked for Reagan, etc. We are now some of the most experienced operatives in the game; many of us have our own firms or work for corporate America. Unfortunately, we are never consulted on party issues unless there is an overtly black angle or, more typically, someone in the party leadership has done something stupid and they expect us to go on camera to provide cover.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #663644
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What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #663645
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #663648
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol






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I think he is still backstage talking to the water cooler.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #663649
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?


I'd say about twenty minutes too long.

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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
What was that Clint Eastwood thing about?



Ha ha ha! It took me a few minutes to realize he was talking to the empty chair. I was wondering what the hell he was doing.

lol






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I think he is still backstage talking to the water cooler.


lol

I liked the idea of having him appear and speak, but the idea of an old man talking to an empty chair on stage was kind of bizarre.

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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
And it is a valid comparison. Don't say the GOP is racist because blacks don't attend their convention and then say black absence in other aspects of life is not relevant.


Again, I cannot follow any logic in your thinking. ohwell


It makes total sense. Absence of blacks should mean racist crowd whether it's a political gathering, sporting event, message board one likes to frequent, or the demographics in your own zip code or town.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #663707
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^^^i think the word you want to use is segregated instead of racist. Thats a pretty big generalization.


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