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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730423
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In another thread Chicago was talking about how willie massinos nephew ws killed after he gotta outa jail bc ge got caught dealing


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Camarel] #730426
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Camarel, Yes. Since the Outfit had a tighter control over what each of the made men did to earn, they absolutely forbid any direct 'hands on' dealing in Drugs.
Here's how some of the made guys got around it:

Guys that were running large Juice Franchises would 'loan' money out to some known drug dealers and then have their guys collect. This way, they could say they loaned the money out but really didn't know what the guy was going to do with it or they could say the guy told them he was using the money for something else.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730427
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I dont know the only bosses i know well is nicky and the Snake


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730429
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And the guys under them for the most part.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Chicago] #730437
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
Camarel, Yes. Since the Outfit had a tighter control over what each of the made men did to earn, they absolutely forbid any direct 'hands on' dealing in Drugs.
Here's how some of the made guys got around it:

Guys that were running large Juice Franchises would 'loan' money out to some known drug dealers and then have their guys collect. This way, they could say they loaned the money out but really didn't know what the guy was going to do with it or they could say the guy told them he was using the money for something else.


Great info, thanks.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730786
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None every family is into drug from shakedown to dealing.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730787
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none in new york..just a myth

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730797
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General question:

Is shaking down a dealer permitted? Or is that considered 'in-league'. I'm interested in both Chicago and NY's policies.

Also in NY can you loan drug guys money? Or does the above apply?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #730824
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Sonny,

Chicago's policy was that ABSOLUTELY you could shake down a guy dealing Drugs. Why not? Especially if he's in your area. Made men were generally assigned areas. Some Cops would do it too.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: F_white] #730825
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Originally Posted By: F_white
None every family is into drug from shakedown to dealing.



Then why all the guys being in trouble with captains or bosses for it? I think Bonanno Family did, others in New York and Jersey did not. From what Chicago posters on here are saying Chicago family did not either.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730826
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Thanks Chicago.

@NY guys: what's acceptable regards dealers? Shy, extortion? Or no relationship?

Again, my thx in advance.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730833
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Wilson, read this book and then get back to us-- Federal Bureau of Narcotics mob files--

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061363855

the answer, as others have said, is precisely NONE. Even talking about it as a "rule" is silly; it was a self-serving myth, that's all.

Also, while it's true the "War on Drugs" horseshit made things al around, there have been drug scares-- and lots of "good" white kids/women/professionals-- on dope ever since there was dope to be had: opium especially in later 19th c. and after cocaine and heroin were regulated, then made illegal in the 1910s, those drugs as well...

The REAL story that I've not seen explained well are the major U.S. dope players of the 1910s-1920s, when huge coke and heroin $$$ become available for the first time. Arnold Rothstein of course is credited as major heroin trafficker, or financier (who knows), with "Lepke" and Luciano getting in no later than 1930...

While the markets expanded with population etc (not to mention blatant CIA encouragement at various points) there's no question 'families' and their antecedents were there from the near start.

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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: conopizza] #730838
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Originally Posted By: conopizza
Wilson, read this book and then get back to us-- Federal Bureau of Narcotics mob files--

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061363855

the answer, as others have said, is precisely NONE. Even talking about it as a "rule" is silly; it was a self-serving myth, that's all.

Also, while it's true the "War on Drugs" horseshit made things al around, there have been drug scares-- and lots of "good" white kids/women/professionals-- on dope ever since there was dope to be had: opium especially in later 19th c. and after cocaine and heroin were regulated, then made illegal in the 1910s, those drugs as well...

The REAL story that I've not seen explained well are the major U.S. dope players of the 1910s-1920s, when huge coke and heroin $$$ become available for the first time. Arnold Rothstein of course is credited as major heroin trafficker, or financier (who knows), with "Lepke" and Luciano getting in no later than 1930...

While the markets expanded with population etc (not to mention blatant CIA encouragement at various points) there's no question 'families' and their antecedents were there from the near start.


Wilson was banned ages ago and made stupid comments for the attention clearly. Reminds me of anothere poster...

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730839
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I don't think Wilson ever got banned here...

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: NickyEyes1] #730841
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
I don't think Wilson ever got banned here...


He did i replied to the thread he got banned for before SC deleted it, something like "which mafia members have fucked porn stars" lol

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730842
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Haha sounds like a thread Wilson would start lol

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: jace] #730843
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Originally Posted By: jace
Originally Posted By: F_white
None every family is into drug from shakedown to dealing.

Then why all the guys being in trouble with captains or bosses for it? I think Bonanno Family did, others in New York and Jersey did not. From what Chicago posters on here are saying Chicago family did not either.


You can find examples in virtually every mob family of guys dealing. The rule seemed to be more "Don't deal without permission." A no-drug boss like Castellano didn't like when he found out the Gotti crew was dealing but took drug money off Patsy Conte and the Gambino brothers. Tony Ducks ranted about drugs but then agreed to let two well-known drug traffickers take over the family. Same with Chin, who let Bellomo become acting boss, despite being involved with drug trafficking in the past. Even in Chicago, guys like Fifi Buccieri, Turk Torello, and Rocco Infelise were involved in drug trafficking. Some years ago a raid was done on a bookmaking establishment run by Marco D'Amico and 10 kilos of cocaine was found there.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: IvyLeague] #730850
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: jace
Originally Posted By: F_white
None every family is into drug from shakedown to dealing.

Then why all the guys being in trouble with captains or bosses for it? I think Bonanno Family did, others in New York and Jersey did not. From what Chicago posters on here are saying Chicago family did not either.


You can find examples in virtually every mob family of guys dealing. The rule seemed to be more "Don't deal without permission." A no-drug boss like Castellano didn't like when he found out the Gotti crew was dealing but took drug money off Patsy Conte and the Gambino brothers. Tony Ducks ranted about drugs but then agreed to let two well-known drug traffickers take over the family. Same with Chin, who let Bellomo become acting boss, despite being involved with drug trafficking in the past. Even in Chicago, guys like Fifi Buccieri, Turk Torello, and Rocco Infelise were involved in drug trafficking. Some years ago a raid was done on a bookmaking establishment run by Marco D'Amico and 10 kilos of cocaine was found there.


I agree with everything you've said but did Corallo really have a choice when allowing Amuso And Casso run the family? He was clearly going away for the rest of his life and his original choice Buddy Luongo was apparently killed by Casso and Amuso.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Wilson] #730858
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I have never seen any proof, or even strong indication, that Castellano took any money from drugs off Conte. Or off anyone else. I think that is said about him as way to make him not seem like glamorous, or noble Mafia boss. They even had his home bugged, yet nothing on him taking drug money off Conte. I looked though everything I could on matter there is no evidence of it at all. I think it is a myth that has grown, or that people who feel worried that Mob may get glamorized perpetuate.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Turnbull] #730861
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.


A lot of so-called info on Cascio Ferro is just made up garbage with no basis in reality. You have to be careful where you get material from.

Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.

But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit.


And wouldn't you agree that the Outfit is one of the families that is least involved today? Most of their business comes from Gambling. From what I have read, Ronnie Jarrett was placed on the hit list and disposed of because he was involved in drug dealing.

Your thoughts?


There's a story that Ricca banned the Outfit's participation in drugs because his son got involved.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: jace] #731043
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Originally Posted By: jace
I have never seen any proof, or even strong indication, that Castellano took any money from drugs off Conte. Or off anyone else. I think that is said about him as way to make him not seem like glamorous, or noble Mafia boss. They even had his home bugged, yet nothing on him taking drug money off Conte. I looked though everything I could on matter there is no evidence of it at all. I think it is a myth that has grown, or that people who feel worried that Mob may get glamorized perpetuate.


Gravano testified to that very thing, i.e. how after the takeover Gotti had Gravano approach Conte and demand the "same arrangement" from Conte's drug operation that he had with Castellano. Now, if you want to believe Gravano was lying, go ahead, but I don't think so.


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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: IvyLeague] #731050
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: jace
I have never seen any proof, or even strong indication, that Castellano took any money from drugs off Conte. Or off anyone else. I think that is said about him as way to make him not seem like glamorous, or noble Mafia boss. They even had his home bugged, yet nothing on him taking drug money off Conte. I looked though everything I could on matter there is no evidence of it at all. I think it is a myth that has grown, or that people who feel worried that Mob may get glamorized perpetuate.


Gravano testified to that very thing, i.e. how after the takeover Gotti had Gravano approach Conte and demand the "same arrangement" from Conte's drug operation that he had with Castellano. Now, if you want to believe Gravano was lying, go ahead, but I don't think so.



Thanks fo rthat info, I was familiar with it, but good you posted it. Considering Gravano's actions afterwards, and his desperation to avoid prison, I find him hard to believe. I think Conte remeained a target of prosecutors, leading Gravnao to testify as he did.

Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs. [Re: Dellacroce] #731051
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
In another thread Chicago was talking about how willie massinos nephew ws killed after he gotta outa jail bc ge got caught dealing



Dellacroce, can you give me the time period this took place in?

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