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Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Ive got two questions regarding Nicky Barnes
1st question is , was/is he considered a "mobster"? When i think of a mobster , i think of a "gangster" , that belongs to a criminal organization , that dabbles in a wide variety of vices (loansharking,drugs ,rackets,bookmaking ,prostitution , etc etc). I think Nicky only dabbled in one of those (drugs). I have not read up on him doing much of anything else.
2nd question is , Nicky had a made man ( forgot what family he belonged to) killed because he sold him bad drugs and gave him the run around , disappearing for a few months. Nicky had the inkling that he may have been an informant. After his (Nicky's) men tracked down and killed the made man , Nicky sat back and waited for reprisals from the mafia family , but it never came. Why dont you think the mafia family went after Nicky for killing one of their made guys?
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Mobster is just another term for gangster which Barnes definatley was. Technically it doesnt matter if he engaged in only one type of criminal activity he was still probably the biggest drug dealer in new york if not the east coast.
The mob guy your talking about was carmen pugliese. He was once supplying barnes but then stopped for some reason(i think he went to jail or something) he connected back up with barnes at some point and tried to rip him off, so Barnes and his organisation, which was called the council voted to kill Pugliese. One of Barnes lieutenants even boasted about the killing saying that they shot him at such close range that his shirt caught on fire. The reasons for them not retaliating against barnes isnt very clear,but i can say barnes and the council were no light weights, as well as locking down most of harlems heroin traffic they had set up shop in upstate new york and Pennsylvania. He had built an organisation with captains, enforcers, hit men and also had his own dirty cops working for him. Since he was schooled in the way the mafia worked he probably had some sort of plan. From the hierarchy of the mobs point of view the heroin coming into the country was going through them anyway, although barnes had probably put quite a few mid level mob guys and their connected dealers out of business, they still had the wholesale importation and distribution in italian hands. Killing barnes and risking a war over one man wouldnt have been worth it in the end, theyd still have to kill the rest of the council and also contend with the racial climate at the time in america which would have brought even more heat on them.
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Mobster is just another term for gangster which Barnes definatley was. Technically it doesnt matter if he engaged in only one type of criminal activity he was still probably the biggest drug dealer in new york if not the east coast.
The mob guy your talking about was carmen pugliese. He was once supplying barnes but then stopped for some reason(i think he went to jail or something) he connected back up with barnes at some point and tried to rip him off, so Barnes and his organisation, which was called the council voted to kill Pugliese. One of Barnes lieutenants even boasted about the killing saying that they shot him at such close range that his shirt caught on fire. The reasons for them not retaliating against barnes isnt very clear,but i can say barnes and the council were no light weights, as well as locking down most of harlems heroin traffic they had set up shop in upstate new york and Pennsylvania. He had built an organisation with captains, enforcers, hit men and also had his own dirty cops working for him. Since he was schooled in the way the mafia worked he probably had some sort of plan. From the hierarchy of the mobs point of view the heroin coming into the country was going through them anyway, although barnes had probably put quite a few mid level mob guys and their connected dealers out of business, they still had the wholesale importation and distribution in italian hands. Killing barnes and risking a war over one man wouldnt have been worth it in the end, theyd still have to kill the rest of the council and also contend with the racial climate at the time in america which would have brought even more heat on them.
So you just consider the term "mobster" as akin to the term "gangster"? So you consider your typical street gangsters as "mobsters"? And wasnt Frank Mathews a bigger dealer than Nicky?
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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didnt know barnes killed a made guy and wasnt killed himself kindve disappointing.....
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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By definition they are both the same thing but i guess if people care enough to differentiate the two then i guess the term mobster culturally can be used to refer to italians and other white crime groups that came around the 19th century, but really its just the same as being a gangster. Mobster is more of a media term than anything else, but a "street gangster" can legitimately be called a mobster but i think media likes to save that title for the italians whilst they use the "thug" and "gangster" labels for black and latino groups.
I thought that "gangster" is a more widespread concept, which does also include non-mafia type groups (street gangsters are often too disorganized and too young to be compared to the mob). By the way, doesn't the term "mobster" also apply to organized crime figures of Jewish origins (Mickey Cohen, Lepke, Meyer Lansky etc.) in the same measure as to Italians? Maybe to Russians also, but I am not sure.
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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didnt know barnes killed a made guy and wasnt killed himself kindve disappointing..... I thinks its bad ass, Nicky didnt give a shit
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Ive got two questions regarding Nicky Barnes
1st question is , was/is he considered a "mobster"? When i think of a mobster , i think of a "gangster" , that belongs to a criminal organization , that dabbles in a wide variety of vices (loansharking,drugs ,rackets,bookmaking ,prostitution , etc etc). I think Nicky only dabbled in one of those (drugs). I have not read up on him doing much of anything else.
2nd question is , Nicky had a made man ( forgot what family he belonged to) killed because he sold him bad drugs and gave him the run around , disappearing for a few months. Nicky had the inkling that he may have been an informant. After his (Nicky's) men tracked down and killed the made man , Nicky sat back and waited for reprisals from the mafia family , but it never came. Why dont you think the mafia family went after Nicky for killing one of their made guys? Nicky wasnt a Mobster, A mobster is someone who is in the "MOB" / "MAFIA". Nicky was a businessman and made money anyway he could, Police didnt like how businessman made money fast so they made it illegal.. Fuckin' idiots.
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Nicky wasnt a Mobster, A mobster is someone who is in the "MOB" / "MAFIA". Nicky was a businessman and made money anyway he could, Police didnt like how businessman made money fast so they made it illegal.. Fuckin' idiots.
But almost all mobster and gangster bosses officially are businessmen, so what's the difference? Also, just being curious: are you seriously taking Barnes' side or was it a joke? I am asking because there are people who genuinely like gangsters and mobsters.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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Ive got two questions regarding Nicky Barnes
1st question is , was/is he considered a "mobster"? When i think of a mobster , i think of a "gangster" , that belongs to a criminal organization , that dabbles in a wide variety of vices (loansharking,drugs ,rackets,bookmaking ,prostitution , etc etc). I think Nicky only dabbled in one of those (drugs). I have not read up on him doing much of anything else.
2nd question is , Nicky had a made man ( forgot what family he belonged to) killed because he sold him bad drugs and gave him the run around , disappearing for a few months. Nicky had the inkling that he may have been an informant. After his (Nicky's) men tracked down and killed the made man , Nicky sat back and waited for reprisals from the mafia family , but it never came. Why dont you think the mafia family went after Nicky for killing one of their made guys? Nicky wasnt a Mobster, A mobster is someone who is in the "MOB" / "MAFIA". Nicky was a businessman and made money anyway he could, Police didnt like how businessman made money fast so they made it illegal.. Fuckin' idiots. Again by definition nicky was a mobster because he was a member of a criminal gang, Mobster doesnt solely just mean mafia.
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Re: Two questions about Nicky Barnes
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ok..good info
read a few times that in many ways the fictional character Nino Brown(New Jack City) was loosely patterned after Nicky Barnes
in the film Brown hits a mob guy(a don)and slaughters a few guys associated with him).and nobody ever retaliates
was based on Barnes hitting a made guy Exactly, its a movie..
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