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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #659131
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I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #659132
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659133
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He needs it PB to pay for his plane. On his bus tour, he flies between stops and jumps o the bus for short periods. He also needs it to buyhmself a personality for the voters.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659138
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


Same here. I heard that he's raised over $300 million in just the past three months alone. I guess the rich would rather pay him to protect their interests than to pay their share of taxes.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #659150
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it seems like the vocal point of this election is job creation. imo its not the governments job to "create" jobs but rather to foster an environment where the free market takes care of the job creation. when i hear both of these candidates talk about job creation all i can picture in my head is another worthless government agency created outta thin air that serves little or no purpose.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #659151
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I worked in economic development for years. You're right. The purpose of such agencies is simply to foster an environment that is business-friendly so that they will be able to expand and add jobs. Unfortunately, we Americans often forget that this is now a GLOBAL economy. We're so busy raising hell if a company wants to build a manufacturing plant in our backyards, that we forget what will happen if that same company simply builds it overseas where it will be welcomed.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #659154
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Now, I'm certain that ya'll can recall any number of statements from Republicans over the past several decades (whether they were in politics or were talk show hosts) to the effect that government does not create jobs. But yet, such is Romney's mantra and it gets picked up and repeated by talk show pundits.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659162
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't see the race hinging on one state right now, but I think right now Romney needs to win both Florida and Ohio. If either of these states goes blue, he's cooked.

I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


He's raising it because people are genuinely afraid Obama will win again.

Besides, a Republican has to raise more money to be competitive because the Democrats always have the media on their side which is worth hundreds-of-millions in free publicity.

So if Romney raises more money, he still may not have leveled the playing field.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Five_Felonies] #659163
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
it seems like the vocal point of this election is job creation. imo its not the governments job to "create" jobs but rather to foster an environment where the free market takes care of the job creation. when i hear both of these candidates talk about job creation all i can picture in my head is another worthless government agency created outta thin air that serves little or no purpose.


Jobs is the talking point. Most people have decided what they are going to do in November.

But it's not about jobs. It's about ideology and what direction you want America to take. We're a very divided nation and we all vote according to what side we're on, even though unemployment is still high and there's no doubt, it will remain there for years to come.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #659166
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
because the Democrats always have the media on their side


Along with Fox News, here's a few conservative radio talk show hosts:

Neil Bortz
Dave Ramsey
Dennis Prager
Dennis Miller
Michael Savage
Mark Levin
Don Imus
Bill Bennett
Monica Crowley
Michael Medved
Sean Hannity
Rush Limbaugh
Mark Davis
Mike Gallagher
Hugh Hewitt
John Gibson
Larry Kudlow
Ben Ferguson
Tom Sullivan
Lou Dobbs
Vicki Middleton


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #659168
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"because Democrats have always had media on their side." lol lol Granted there are a couple stations/commentators that slant left but no way in hell is it most of the media.

That being said, that is just how good the rightwing media is, they kept on with their LW media bullshit that the RW actually believes it.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #659169
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Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659174
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #659176
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659178
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Besides Fox News, conservative radio and WSJ, everyone else leans to the left. Every major network, NBC, ABC, CBS, every singer and actor, and most local newspapers will support Obama.

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.


No, you used Fox News because it's all you have to use. There is no other network that leans to the right. CNN, MSNBC, and HLN offset it.

And I can rattle off a list of liberal radio shows from 1600am.

Overall, Obama will receive much more support than Romney.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #659180
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every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Five_Felonies] #659181
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.

Agreed. Both extremes are enough to make me apolitical. And MSNBC is certainly just as biased as Fox.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Five_Felonies] #659182
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.


O'Reilly is not news. It's political commentary. He's just one man. People obsess over Fox News. Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #659188
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
every single major american news outlet is equally horrible imo. they all distort facts to futher thier agenda, whether it be left or right. no such thing as a middle ground with these goofs.one of my favorite things to hear is that tool bill o'reily and his whole "fair and balanced" spiel. it's fair and balanced unless you disagree with him then he doesn't even let you talk and tries to intimidate like he's some sort of a tough guy. makes me sick. this is why i get my news from the internet.

Agreed. Both extremes are enough to make me apolitical. And MSNBC is certainly just as biased as Fox.


Fox News most likely features a liberal guest or two on every single program to debate O'Reilly and Hannity. That's their formula for success. Debate. So you can't accuse them of not offering an opposing view.

Fox News is one network. People act like it's some kind of monopoly.

I'd guess most mainstream television shows will support Obama or keep their mouths shut.

The View. That show alone reaches more people than O'Reilly could dream of reaching. Then you have "comedians" who are full-fledged political commentators now. Jon Stewart and Bill Maher the most prominent.

Just about every daytime syndicated show like Anderson Cooper and others will support Obama too. Even shows like Family Guy and South Park will do their part like they did last time. All this more than offsets Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #659198
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.


Your posts are sprinkled with terms that are rather comprehensive adjectives such as each, every, all, everyone. You might want to be more discriminating when using such adjectives to garner more respect; your emotion is transparent. Your adamancy reminds me of one poster who is on vacation.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #659199
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Everyone else on tv and radio will be on Obama's side come election day.


Your posts are sprinkled with terms that are rather comprehensive adjectives such as each, every, all, everyone. You might want to be more discriminating when using such adjectives to garner more respect; your emotion is transparent. Your adamancy reminds me of one poster who is on vacation.


In-other-words, I should have said "most" instead of "all", but you know I'm right, so you get in a jab and call me emotional.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #659200
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
but you know I'm right,


Believe it or not, there are some whom don't see things your way. Really! That doesn't make their view wrong.


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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Well, I agree that The Left has more overall media outlets on their side. But I think Fox News is such a behemoth that it kind of levels the playing field.


Whoa. How'd you figure that? Didn't you see the list I posted above?

They're all crazies, Oli. And most of them are associated with Fox, so I was just using Fox as a blanket statement to cover them all.


No, you used Fox News because it's all you have to use. There is no other network that leans to the right. CNN, MSNBC, and HLN offset it.

And I can rattle off a list of liberal radio shows from 1600am.

Overall, Obama will receive much more support than Romney.


The problem is that most of those liberal shows dont get anywhere near the listeners that guys like Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and the rest of their crew get. It's ridiculous the amount of money these guys make and the amount of people listening to them on a day to day basis. There was a report a few years back that said more than HALF of conservatives in the South reported tuning into one of these guys at least once a week and not watching/listening to ANY other news besides them. These guys have an incredible ability to mobilize their base at their will.


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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I agree, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about all the money that he's raising. It's unbelieveable.


Same here. I heard that he's raised over $300 million in just the past three months alone. I guess the rich would rather pay him to protect their interests than to pay their share of taxes.


Yep, and its not just the money he's raising. The Super PAC cash from all these billionaires who are supporting him is absolutely insane.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
but you know I'm right,


Believe it or not, there are some whom don't see things your way. Really! That doesn't make their view wrong.


By attacking my adjectives instead of the points I made, it kind of makes me think my points are right, which is why the person got personal with me.

I said in my next post that most, not all are going to be on Obama's side.

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Discussions about politics, like religion, brings out the worst in us. There is no use for any of us to nitpick or make personal replies (but I know sometimes they just slip out). ohwell

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@ dapper don

Conservative radio is effective. We saw that last week when people came together in support of Chick-fil-A. So is liberal media. Remember when Jon Stewart and others did the anti-Beck rally in DC? So both sides have their guys who can rally the base. It's not just conservatives. Not recognizing this shows bias.

And just like there are people who get all or most of their news from Rush and Beck, there are many who get all their news from liberal sources like NY1, or NY Times.

People listen to or read what they want to hear. I'm glad that someone can hear Rush or Beck. I'm glad that someone can read Paul Krugman or Maureen Dowd. That's what makes America great. Opposing views are available. For now.

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August 1 Quinnipiac Poll of likely voters

FLORIDA: Obama 51 - Romney 45
OHIO: Obama 50 - Romney 44
PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 53 - Romney 42


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Who cares about Pennsylvania? It has not been a swing state in years.

Obama won Florida by about 2.5% GOP swept in 2010 midterms. Obama knows it's going to be very close here, which is why he campaigns in Orlando and Tampa about once a week now and spent millions running local tv ads in Florida.

Florida, Virginia and Ohio will decide this election in my opinion.

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