In valachis genovese chart it says carmine persico was a soldier was that true or was it a mistake ?

patriarca had a couple guys come and go theres nick bianco who some how was sent to help in the colombo/gallo war and was a capo according to scarpa was 1 of colombos favorites but right before colombo got hit he was back to rhode island i think he was tipped off. then the guy henry tameleo who was in the bonanno family moved to the boston era and was consig. jr russo was with paul vario in the 60tys probaly just asscoiate. i read the sam the plumber book if that guy corcky was made in 1 family but transferd to sams family and alot of the family didnt trust him for a while, then i read d.b. bernado was with sam's family and released to the gambinos probaly cause he made so much money in manhattan. its something big paul probaly wanted the guy d.b. was the biggest porno guy in america in the late 70tys. connected in new england, florida, and cali.

Ack whatzizname was it Stephen "The Whale" Cino that swapped from Buffalo to LA?
& Pete Milano's father Anthony was the Cleveland Underboss before moving the family out to LA (& joining the Family)
Im pretty sure Nick Licata was made in Detroit before becoming LA Boss. Theres definitely a fair bit of it in LA from memory. Not mentioning all the guys that came from interstate as an associate & got made in LA, like Mike Rizzitello, or Porno Mike Esposito, or you get the idea. Hm. Lips Moceri? (actually i think he went the other way, leaving LA for Cleveland.

On another blog someone suggested that "Patsy Ryan" Eboli may have switched from the Genovese to Colombo's after his brother Tom was killed in early 1970's. I've never read anything to suggest this actually happened though. Anyone know?

there were the gallo bros who transferred over to the genovese from the colombos

Jimmy Fratianno and Johnny Rosselli were part of the LA family before switching to the Outfit (Fratianno would later switch back).

Yes, but keep in mind that Albert Gallo wasn´t made when this occurred. I think it´s easier with associates to change affiliation than made members.

Are you sure about that? Someone at the other forum also thought that Joey Gallo wasn't a made member.

Roselli was an outfit guy all the way. He was sent to LA in the 1940s but never switched membership to that Family.

I´m positivly sure Sonny. I´m kinda surprised you would think that Joey Gallo was not a member. He was shelved but still a member. After the Colombo hit, he was totally ousted. You can find this in the Scarpa files.
If you´re still uncertain, use NARA Record number 124-10293-10244 (to view another document) when visiting the very useful Mary Ferrell Foundation site. Here´s a partial excerpt from page 3 and 4 of that document (wich is dated 1968):

"Informant was shown photographs of various individuals who have been connected with Cosa Nostra and he commented as follows:

CARMINE CONSALVO Proposed member In the GAMBINO family
DAVID RAVA Son of TOMMY RAVA Not a member
ALFRED J. CIMEI Not a member
HARRY FONTANA Capodeeina in COLOMBO family
SALVATORE D`AMBROSIO Soldier in COLOMBO family
PHIL FONTANO Soldier in the COLOMBO family, under Harry Fontana
FREDDIE LA PONZINA Soldier in COLOMBO family
ANTHONY LA PONZINA Soldier in COLOMBO family
LAWRENCE LAMPASI Not a member
ANTHONY LEONE Member of COLOMBO family (not SCIACCA family)
FRANK ILLIANO Not a member
LAWRENCE GALLO Deceased member of COLOMBO family
JOSEPH GALLO Member of COLOMBO family
LOUIS GEORGIANO Possibly dead. Under SARO MOGAVERO in GENOVESE family
ALBERT GALLO not a member
ANTHONY BONASERA Soldier in COLOMBO family"

If you read the document (all of it) you will find that this particular informant was extremely reliable. He might have been a highranking member.

You can find tons of documents on the site stating that Larry and Joey were members, but Albert was not. (Throughout the 1960s that is.)

"any ideas who this informant was? scarpa sr?"

Dapps, it could have been Scarpa.
The informant does provide info on mostly Brooklyn based mobsters. I think all of them in the excerpt in my post were Brooklyn based. So we can assume the informant himself was based in Brooklyn. Also, most of them are connected or with the Colombos.
He talks about the Robilotto murder (a capo with the Gambinos) as well, which seems to suggest he had some inside info on that.
He also talks about Gambino´s crew in Baltimore and claim he was at the Patsy Corbi funeral with Carmine Lombardozzi and another Gambino guy. In addition he gives some info on how that crew got started. This seems to suggest the informant was a Gambino. But who knows?

Surprised nobody mentioned "Fat" Jack DiNorscio formerly of the Philly Mob, came over to the Luccheses, I believe.

I´m positivly sure Sonny. I´m kinda surprised you would think that Joey Gallo was not a member. He was shelved but still a member. After the Colombo hit, he was totally ousted. You can find this in the Scarpa files.
If you´re still uncertain, use NARA Record number 124-10293-10244 (to view another document) when visiting the very useful Mary Ferrell Foundation site. Here´s a partial excerpt from page 3 and 4 of that document (wich is dated 1968):

with member does he actually mean a made member?

Then it is agreed. Joey Gallo was a made member and Hairyknuckles will give protection with his source in the East.

was [DiNorscio] a made guy?