That's what prosecutors do. That's why there are always so many counts in these mega-mob trials. They really only have to get one or two to stick to put a guy inside for considerable time.

Just look at the Tommy Shots trial last month. The Feds have egg on their faces for losing the murder charges, but those guys are still going to get some serious time. When you consider Goeli's health, even ten years can be a death sentence.

I suspect the Philly strategy is the same. Charge them with enough counts, and they'll get them for something.

if the can just prove guilt on any 2 counts of the indictment then the judge can smoke you+ nobody ever beats the the count of rico conspiracy, its just the government proved you were in the family or associated. that charge and a gambling its go time never mind the extorions, no show job. the bent finger lou guy and the fbi undercover is gonna sink there ship alone. look at the rhode island guys they were smart to global plea most got 3,5yrs but 1 guy got 9 steep. there gonna bring out turncoats from scarfo days who will say they got made with joe and killed with him. uncle joes era is over, hope he got paid. merlino should give it up. just like anthony dinonzio in boston didnt get charged to all the rhode island guys were sentenced they'll go for merlino. and if they get 1 guy to flip on a recent body its domino's.

i agree with what you guys are saying but most guys in this case only have from 2 to 4 counts besides staino, ligambi,and borgese

^^^but many of them have priors, any long sentence can be a death sentence for ligambi and mousey is twice a convicted felon and is looking at serious time

From what im hearing there were 11 defendants at this hearing on friday including Borgesi and Canilichio so absoulutly not are any of these guys cooperating.Also the 3 defendants not charged with the rico count were severed and will have a seperate trial. The original indictment had 13 plus they superseeded with 2 more making it 15 and got Bent Finger wanna be gangster Louie M to rat

Oh your right Mousie and Canilichio can get burried. Ligambi only because of his age

lets not forget george borgesi, the guy has been in jail since i was in middle school (and i just graduated business school), hes looking at some more time as well, any long sentence can also be a death sentence for licata given his age/health

who were the guys who had their cases severed from the rest?

I just looked up the indictment. It would have been the three without the rico charge. Esposito,Vereccio and Ranieri

really Esposito? according to transcripts of the licata wiretap he was made at the same ceremony with fazzini which would put him within the racketeering enterprise/rico

"During the conversation Licata is reminiscing about a “making” ceremony back in 2007 where Fazzini and others were inducted into the Philadelphia crime family.

Licata notes that the ceremony was conducted by Joseph “Uncle Joe” Ligambi and that Fazzini and Eric Esposito a co-defendant in the current racketeering case were made at same ceremony. Licata also states that alleged mob captains Anthony Staino and Michael Lancelotti were also present at the making ceremony, Staino is also a co-defendant in the current case. He also notes five other mobsters including Damion Canalichio were also initiated at a previous making ceremony , Canalichio right before he went to prison.

Licata says that then jailed boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino has proposed three more unknown associates for membership into the family but Ligambi declined to “make” them because he did not know them. Ligambi told Licata that Merlino could do it himself when he gets out of prison."

http://www.mediafire.com/?xfhimaetl48g6hd they only charged him (Esposito) with a poker machine charge which is gambling look on page 2 or should i say count 1

gotcha

idk why anastasia hasnt done an update on this case yet...he came out with a video talking about henry hill

what is scoops actualy charged with i read rico and something about getting someone a no show job, but whats the big deal with that charge i didnt read about gamling or extortion when it came to the jersey guys, seems like the feds wanted some extra headlines.and they had the nicky skin tapes with them talking alot, but it was just b.s. every time i click on 1 of those mediafire get a virus cost a hundred to get fixt.

It was also cofusing to me! i think they have him for gambling with that Louie Fazzini and loansharking inside a rico, just really weak charges if you ask me. Its as almost like they wanted to stir the pot then listen to the wires they have out there and informants to find out what reaction they got from the wise guys! Not your typical rico case

Licata is charged with illegal gambling, sports bookmaking, and also devising a scheme to defraud health benefits obtained through a no-show job controlled by the family for fazzini, more importantly he is charged with being part of a rico enterprise (count one) along with fazzini, and racketeering conspiracy.

The indictment adds Licata and reputed North Jersey mob soldier Louis “Big Lou” Fazzini as defendants and includes two new charges against Ligambi tied to an alleged “no show” job at a South Philadelphia trash disposal company.
Ligambi, already facing racketeering charges built around gambling, loansharking, extortion, and the operation of illegal video-poker machines, now is also charged with collecting $224,424 in medical benefits for himself and his family members from a Teamsters Health & Welfare Fund.
The “benefit plan” was part of Ligambi’s no-show employment at the Top Job trash company.

the feds do this all the time in NY and it works just like you just said

Licata and Fazzini, who were arrested April 26, are the first to face the consequences of Stefanelli’s defection. Both were held for trial at hearings Monday. They were recorded at length at two mob meetings Stefanelli helped set up, each at an unnamed restaurant in North Jersey.

The first, in May 2010, was described as a meeting between leaders of the Gambino crime family and the Philadelphia mob. Ligambi and a top lieutenant, Anthony Staino, a codefendant in the pending case, attended with Licata and Fazzini. The Gambino contingent included Stefanelli and others in that organization, including an individual identified only by his initials but believed to be John Gambino, described in the document as “a caporegime,” a member of the “triumvirate” that oversees the Gambino organization.

The detention memo offers a capsule version of what was discussed, but it is clear that Licata holds court. At one point, he jokes with Ligambi about the 2003 gangland murder of John “Johnny Gongs” Casasanto in South Philadelphia, which remains unsolved.

According to the memo, Licata laughs and tells Ligambi, “At least we finally got to get him!”

At another point, Licata complains that the son of jailed Philadelphia boss Nicodemo “Little Nicky” Scarfo was permitted to be “made,” or formally initiated, into the Lucchese crime family.

“Licata expressed contempt for the action,” the government memo reads, “saying, ‘This is a slap in the face to us.’”

In other conversations, the loquacious Licata discusses mob traditions, gossips about other mob families and their members, waxes philosophical about how mobsters should conduct themselves, and provides a history of the Philadelphia crime family.

“We got to stay with the old rules,” Licata says as he and others talk about attracting members who understood the values of La Cosa Nostra.

“The only way to survive, you need quality, not quantity,” Gambino says.

“Guys made it about the money. It’s not about money. It’s about … brotherhood,” Fazzini then adds.

Licata, who, according to sources, has earned millions working various mob gambits over more than 40 years, agrees. Money, he says, is “the green-eyed monster.”


Law enforcement sources have hinted that the recent indictments are just the first chapter in the Stefanelli saga.

“Stay tuned,” an investigator teased last week.

I know dap but alot of people down here are talking like they are waiting for the other shoe to drop and if it dont happen then its really a weak case!!!

yeah people love to talk, i do as well. Give it time my friend, by the end of the summer donuts to peanuts the feds let off a grenade or two.

Is it me LuanKuci or do you use a slightly different font on your posts? Didn't know if I was going crazy! LOL

i never heard of this robert ranieri guy until this indictment.. has anybody else heard anything about him? it said something about him being with staino collecting money or something so i figured he was just muscle for staino..

ive heard of esposito too but not verrecio and ranieri

I also dont know those two guys but i do know Esposito, he used to have a little after hours club and i was friends with his father more my age, he did 17 years for drugs and just got out a year and a half ago

How old are you, buddy?

Staino is too mich of a wuse to do anything himselg so of couse he has a moron like Raneri act as an enforcer and people still stiffed him.

Phillys like to talk tough!!

I hope that drops on George Anastashia

Lets face it guys the mob is not like it used to be, just look at the crimes that are accused in this case. They can be committed by anybody not even associated with organized crime.I am 61 and his father is 67 or so and espositos grandfather used to have a lunchonette in south philly and they had the best homeade ice tea.

YOur right he just did get out of jail. And went straight back to the ward. I've said this before, half the time I went there he'd be asleep at the bar.

its strange when philly goes up to newark has a meeting with the top guys in the gambinos they badmouth the luchese's and scarfo and son, and its all getting recorded by the gambino guy. thats a bad look for them. and scoops just talking big shit i think it was i new his son would be a rat(jr gotti)? i mean the luchese been indicted since 2007 but all out on bail looking like its a screwed up case 5 yrs later scarfo jr just milking copanies for multi millions running them in the ground in philly. yaeh the pen in philly cant be looking good right now thats its 100+.and these recordings are slowly leaking. and scarfo sr calling all the guys rats. genovese family probaly making a killing of the terrible nba championship. aint one ref from jersey not timmy his buddy the fixer who robbed the celts.