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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #647661
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Gloria Allred Accused of STEALING Clients in Travolta lawsuits

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/17/john-travolta-gloria-allred-stole-clients/

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #647663
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Gloria Allred Accused of STEALING Clients in Travolta lawsuits

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/17/john-travolta-gloria-allred-stole-clients/


Has allred actually gone to court for anyone? She does press conferences real well.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #647706
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Documents shed new light on Trayvon Martin killing
By KYLE HIGHTOWER and MIKE SCHNEIDER | Associated Press
May 17, 2012


ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Trayvon Martin was shot through the heart at close range. George Zimmerman had a broken nose, bruises and bloody cuts on the back of his head.

The lead investigator in the case wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter in the weeks after the shooting but was overruled.

These are among the details revealed in nearly 200 pages of documents, photos and audio recordings released Thursday in a case that's riveted the nation. Yet it's still unclear what exactly happened and whether it was racially motivated.

The evidence supports Zimmerman's contention that he was being beat up when he fired the fatal shot. At the same time, it bolsters the argument of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and that the whole confrontation could have been avoided if not for Zimmerman's actions.

Many of the pertinent questions remain unclear: What was in Zimmerman's mind when he began to follow Martin in the gated community where he lived? How did the confrontation between the two begin? Whose screams for help were captured on 911 calls? And why did Zimmerman feel that deadly force was warranted?

Another opportunity for answers isn't likely to come until a hearing later this year in which Zimmerman is expected to claim the shooting was justified under Florida's "stand your ground" law. Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, didn't return a phone call seeking comment Thursday.

Martin's autopsy indicated that medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. The amount described in the autopsy report is such a low level that it would have played no role in Martin's behavior, said Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

"This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes," Kobilinsky said. "If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."

A police report shows the 17-year-old had been shot once in the chest and had been pronounced dead at the scene. The autopsy says the fatal shot was fired from no more than 18 inches away.

The evidence supporting Zimmerman's defense includes a photo showing the neighborhood watch volunteer with a bloody nose on the night of the fight. A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.

"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries in the report.

Whether Zimmerman was injured in the Feb. 26 altercation with Martin has been a key question. The 28-year-old has claimed self-defense and said he only fired because the unarmed teenager attacked him.

Zimmerman was not arrested for weeks because he invoked Florida's "stand your ground" law, which does not require a person to retreat in the face of a serious threat. He was released on bail and is in hiding while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge. He has pleaded not guilty.

Other evidence supports the contention of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was the aggressor.

The investigator who called for Zimmerman's arrest, Christopher Serino, told prosecutors that the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement. He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him. The report was written on March 13, nearly a month before Zimmerman's eventual arrest.

He said there is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity as he walked from a convenience store to the home of his father's fiancee in the same gated community where Zimmerman lived.

The lawyer for Martin's parents seized on the investigator's recommendation.

"The police concluded that none of this would have happened if George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car," said attorney Ben Crump. "If George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car, they say it was completely avoidable. That is the headline."

The release of evidence did little to clear up whose voice is screaming for help in the background of several 911 calls made during the fight.

Since first hearing the calls in early March, Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, has been unequivocal in saying that it was her son's voice on the tapes.

But Serino wrote in a report that he played a 911 call for Martin's father, Tracy, in which the screams are heard multiple times.

"I asked Mr. Martin if the voice calling for help was that of his son," the officer wrote. "Mr. Martin, clearly emotionally impacted by the recording, quietly responded 'no.'"

Zimmerman's father also told investigators that it was his son yelling for help on March 19.

"That is absolutely positively George Zimmerman," Robert Zimmerman said. "He was not just yelling, he sounded like he was screaming for his life."

Investigators sent all the recordings to the FBI for analysis. They were asked to determine who was screaming, and also if Zimmerman might have used an expletive in describing Martin. Prosecutors said in their charging documents that Zimmerman said "(expletive) punks" in describing Martin as he walked in the neighborhood.

But the analyst who examined the recordings determined the sound quality is too poor to decipher what Zimmerman uttered. In regards to the screams during the altercation, there also wasn't enough clarity to determine who it is "due to extreme stress and unsuitable audio quality."

The trajectory of the bullet — straight through Martin's body — doesn't shed light on whether Zimmerman and Martin were standing or on the ground, Kobilinsky said.

Kobilinsky added he thought the evidence diminished prosecutors' case for second-degree murder.

The case has become a national racial flashpoint because the Martin family and supporters contend Zimmerman singled Martin out because he was black. Zimmerman has a Peruvian mother and a white father.

Two acquaintances painted an unflattering picture of Zimmerman in police interviews.

A distraught woman told an investigator that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them.

"I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the unidentified woman says in an audio recording.

A man whose name was deleted from the audio told investigators said he worked with Zimmerman in 2008 for a few months. It wasn't clear which company it was.

The man, who described his heritage as "Middle Eastern," said that when he first started, many employees didn't like him.

Zimmerman seized on this, the employee said, and bullied him.

Zimmerman wanted to "get in" with the clique at work so he exaggerated a Middle Eastern accent when talking about the employee, the man said. The employee told investigators that Zimmerman made reference to terrorists and bombings when talking about him.

"It was so immature," said the employee, who ended up writing a letter to management about Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's parents say he wasn't racist. They say he had mentored black students and had a black relative.

In a police interview, Zimmerman's father, Robert, described the toll the case had taken on family members who also are in hiding because of safety concerns.

"It just seems like it's an avalanche and I'm standing at the bottom of it," Robert Zimmerman said.

http://news.yahoo.com/documents-shed-light-trayvon-martin-killing-235341368.html

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #647707
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And the trove of evidence slowly starts to trickle out...


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #647712
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Originally Posted By: olivant
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive...topstories.html


http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852



Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed.

The police report states that Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically callling for help that it was not his son calling for help.

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.

The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.


Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #647731
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Nothing wrong with profiling. Certain demographics commit far more crime than others. Especially in Florida.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #648435
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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #648458
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Cipriano prelim

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Tucker Cipriano calmly scribbled on a yellow legal pad in a Farmington Hills courtroom Wednesday as a witness described a chilling plot that he said was hatched by Cipriano and a friend.

The plan: Kill Cipriano's family.

Ian Zinderman, 20, said it was specific -- Tucker Cipriano, 19, and Mitchell (Roderick) Young, 20, even divvied up who would kill whom.

"Tucker was going to go after his two brothers," Zinderman told a courtroom packed with Cipriano family and friends, some fighting tears and holding hands. "And Roderick was going to go after the mom and dad, and Roderick was supposed to go for the sister."

When Assistant Prosecutor John Skrzynski asked why Young, and not Cipriano, would kill 8-year-old Isabella Cipriano, Zinderman replied, "Tucker loved his sister."


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #648739
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22 year old blows 69k accidentally put in his account

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #649309
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In Edwards case, basically, hung jury on all counts except one.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #649316
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Judge Eagles has ordered the jurors to continue deliberating.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #649317
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Judge Eagles has ordered the jurors to continue deliberating.


I heartily disagree with the judge. It's prejudicial. It imbues the jurors with the belief that they should sacrifice reason for convenience.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Judge Eagles has ordered the jurors to continue deliberating.


I heartily disagree with the judge. It's prejudicial. It imbues the jurors with the belief that they should sacrifice reason for convenience.

As a matter of law I tend to agree. But being that Edwards is such a vile jerk, I'm gonna look the other way on this one whistle shhh.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #649322
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
But being that Edwards is such a vile jerk...


And the Understatement of the Year Award goes to Pizzaboy! clap


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: pizzaboy] #649326
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Judge Eagles has ordered the jurors to continue deliberating.


I heartily disagree with the judge. It's prejudicial. It imbues the jurors with the belief that they should sacrifice reason for convenience.

As a matter of law I tend to agree. But being that Edwards is such a vile jerk, I'm gonna look the other way on this one whistle shhh.


The law is reason freed from passion.

In any case, he's not guilty on th eone charge on which the jury reached a verdict. Mistrial on the remaining counts.

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #649327
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Hopefully he'll just get hit by a truck.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: IvyLeague] #649329
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Hopefully he'll just get hit by a truck.


The world will never be that fortunate.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Sicilian Babe] #649330
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Hopefully he'll just get hit by a truck.


The world will never be that fortunate.


Yeow. That's cold.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: SC] #649332
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If you can't get a conviction when that much money has been funneled to a presidential candidate, it's time to repeal the whole law.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #649352
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I've had several trials where the jury was out a long time, and advised the judge that they seemed deadlocked. The judges have always told them that it's important to exhaust all discussion and consideration, but not to arrive at a decision for convenience sake that violates the conscience.

As a defense attorney, I always loved it when they were out a long time.

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Every time they were sure they had you caught
You were quicker than they thought
You'd just turn your back and walk...
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
As a defense attorney, I always loved it when they were out a long time.


Why? confused


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I was the foreman of a murder jury many moons ago. We were deadlocked and so notified the judge. We had on ehold-out for not guilty. He had us keep deliberating and we eventually came to a verdict.

We were sequestered. So, we ate well.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: SC] #649368
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Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
As a defense attorney, I always loved it when they were out a long time.


Why? confused


If Kly doesn't mind, I'll take a stab at that answer from what I've learned thru watching these cases. The longer the jury deliberates the more likely (tho never a certainty) there will be a not guilty verdict or hung jury, either good for the defendant. Right? smile

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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: klydon1
As a defense attorney, I always loved it when they were out a long time.
Why? confused

If Kly doesn't mind, I'll take a stab at that answer ...


You take a stab at it and YOU may need a defense attorney.

Your reasoning may be right, TIS, but I don't understand how an attorney would know what the jury is thinking. What if the jury was one vote away from a decision and just arguing with the holdout?


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I don't think they would "know" for sure. I'm guessing that thru experience they make the conclusion that it's "possible." I'm sure it's not always the case. I have heard lawyers on tv, in past years speak of it.

Then again, what do I know? (No need to actually answer that). smile



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Klyd's only thinking in terms of billable hours tongue grin.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Klyd's only thinking in terms of billable hours tongue grin.


LOL 1 hour....cha ching....$300!!! lol


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Klyd's only thinking in terms of billable hours tongue grin.


LOL 1 hour....cha ching....$300!!! lol


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$300? Yeah, only on discount fridays.


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Pennsylvania
Would have been nice to get paid while the jury's out.

TIS, you pretty much answered it. As long as the jury was deliberating for an unusually long time, I knew that at least one person was resisting, and at the time it didn't matter which way the vote was.

The prosecution has to convince all 12 where I would only have to hang one and my client walks out of the courtroom. Of course, they can retry him, and they usually do if the jury was deadlocked 11-1 or 10-2 in their favor. If the breakdown is 7-5 or worse, the prosecution normally won't try it again.

Prosecutors still have advantages though in that they decide whether to bring a charge to trial. But because I knew I could get by with one hold-out, I would try to include independent thinking, educated younger people, preferably female business owners or better yet, teachers. While older housewives are sypathetic jurors, they are much less likely to vocalize their opinions and more likely to be intimidated by an older opionated male. Essentially, if they had a reasonable doubt, they may be afraid of appearing stupid if an older, assertive male is pushing for a conviction. The younger, working women (who have grown up in an era of greater gender equality) is not easily deterred from expressing her views. And her voice offers others encouragement to stick to a similar view.

Prosecutors like to get pit bulls (older, white, retired alpha males) to take charge in the deliberation room. The best stories about deliberations that I have heard from jurors after the case involved confrontations between younger working women and the retired males.

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