I also think it was a coalition that brought down the Rizzutos, and Montagna played a key role in this. Him paying a visit to old Nick Rizzuto before he was killed is the most intriguing.

werent the two men that tried to kill joseph ducarme black aswell,possibly jamaican.

I disagree and the evidence disagrees. Read Mafia Inc and you may have a different opinion also.
Montanga meeting with Nick Sr and telling him to step down and then senior ending up after refusing is no coincidence either.

BTW Billotti was underboss for a week. Montanga was Boss for 5 years so you comparing the two is seriously flawed.
2 months after Montangna is deported to Montreal the bodies start to fall. It isn't a coincidence.

Give me facts and I will look at them. There's no proof and at the moment, it's a big guessing game. Like I said earlier in this thread, Calabrians are behind this. That's my two cents. Montagna was used an payed for it with his live. He couldn't organize his own garage.

Being a former acting boss for the Bonannos doesn't mean jack shit in Montreal. The Bonannos have enough problems to take care off in NY, let alone organize some power grab in Canada.

Agreed! It's what I've been saying for what seems like a lifetime. For the record, I am all talked out about this bullshit. But I just wanted to say I agree with you, especially about Montagna. Poor dead bastard.

You contradict yourself in this sentence. It's your turn to provide us with your first argument as to why you think Montagna was a pawn and why you think Calabrians are behind this. So far you haven't provided us with anything. Read some books and follow the news for a while to get a better understanding on things. On these boards everybody has an opinion, but very few are actually able to elaborate on it because their knowlegde is limited.

Aah she's beautiful and smart ! Good to know Carmela.

Don't know why you are such a condescending prick about this Sonny, but I'm here to enjoy myself, not to get into a pissing contest with some dude I don't even know.

And for the record, I'm giving my two cents. Never said I have cold hard facts. Nobody on the internet does on this matter btw. Just think Montagna was a very small fish in a big pond.

Don't just assume I don't read books or follow the news, though. You're way off on that one.

Nobody knows each other on an internet forum, Sherlock. We're not only here to have a good time, but also to discuss and not just stating an opinion without being able to explain it any further.



Ignorance is bliss.

You just enjoy you're wet dreams about Sal Montagna, criminal overlord of the world Sonny.

I prefer to enjoy my wet dreams about Carmela, but that's a different story.

He was definitely involved in what was going on, but as you point out he wasn't alone and far from it. He didn't have the pull or sway in Montreal to save his own life, going up against much bigger fish.

I guess were debating about the extent as to which Montagna was involved in the Rizzuto war, but it's clear the cracks in the organization starting appearing way before he arrived in 2009.

Just think of names like Bartolo, D'Amico, Piccirilli and you get an idea that many people were behind the fall.

Exactly.

Well, I won't take anything away from Sonny's extensive knowledge on this subject, but he and I don't always see eye to eye. He's right, though, that the Sicilians and Calabrians worked together in the past. Of course they did. But, for me, I am saying it is a Calabrian Godfather in charge up there now. I believe there are Sicilians that are collaborating once again with the Calabrians, but ultimately Calabrians are in control. I had put out the name of Cotroni as Godfather, people say I'm way off..maybe i am. Maybe I'm not.

I don't have much book knowledge to back this up ( if it's not in Cosmo I'm probably not reading it), and Sonny knows this. I don't put it out there as 100% truth, though, but it is my strong belief and theory as to what's what.
I've said so much more in the past..on and on and on..but everytime somebody spits out the question, "So what do you guys think is going on up there" in yet another thread, it begins all over again and frankly it gets tiring for me to keep rehashing the same words.

As far as Montagna, he maybe was not a pawn, but he's no mastermind. Well, as of now, he's no nothing.

And who would this bigger fish might be? I know you're thinking of Joe Di Maulo, but his involvement is less evident than that of Montagna. This was a war between Desjardins and Montagna. The rest is speculation. And there's a difference between being involved and being a pawn and that is what this discussion was all about. Calling Montagna a pawn is plain igorance. And just for the record: I don't favor the guy at all and couldn't care less he's gone. I'm only following the tracks.

I be been reading this thread and still don't know what sonny and chopper believe what's happening in canada. But Mafia INC did suggest that it was the calabrians behind the war but I might be saying this a bit late :s

I be been reading this thread and still don't know what sonny and chopper believe what's happening in canada. But Mafia INC did suggest that it was the calabrians behind the war but I might be saying this a bit late :s

Guys we don't need to argue and endlessly speculate, the truth will out eventually. Maybe we got to wait a few years but eventually we will know.

Far as can tell, nobody's arguing. And aren't all you guys here to endlessly speculate and keep talking about old news and such? Excuse me, but who are you to say people don't need to endlessly speculate if that's what people want to do? If not for endless speculation, may as well shut down the entire OC section of this board.

The rest of the Montreal mafia and Ontario elements lol....Being a mafioso from NYC doesn't mean he can just come here and dictate as he pleased. As you've surely read the articles, he wasn't very well liked within the community.

Sorry Sunny, but some of us Canadian posters might have a better clue.

Playing the geography card is the easiest way to do if you have been brought into a position when you don't have answers. Being from Calabria and supposedly living in Montreal, it's clear you have an agenda. Canadians favor their own mobsters just as Americans do. Being a simple paisan from the Netherlands, I'll look at it without colored glasses.

No bias needed......but I highly doubt some dude from Holland can name me where mafiosi from Montreal hangout and where they recruit.

You don't need to live in Montreal to find this out.

Sonnys right here

Reading Mafia Inc. is one thing.......having friends and people within the community associated to organized crime reveals an entirely different dimension.

I can read all day about NYC, but it still wouldn't give me the same knowledge had I grown up in Bensonhurst or Long Island.

montagna probably got in touch with new york to say "im gonna do this thing with some guys up here that are looking to take over, it would put us in a good position if im in on it and things go well". Their response probably was "do what you want but if it fucks up your on your own".

I think that the driving forces behind this were montreal gangsters, some that were in the rizutto organisation and also some outsiders like montagna.

So what is it that you know that I don't? Please tell me. That is why we are here, no?

i'm from montreal, i'm not connected or anyting but i know the players etc, montagna wasnt a big deal here. everyone who thinks that jut because he was a made man in bonanno family and acting boss etc. that he could just show up here and take over is clueless. mafia guys here didnt give a shit about is story

But nobody here says he did take over. He just tried to and ended up dead as a result. At least, that's how I imagine it, even though I am not an expert.