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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #635552
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.

I've been saying this for months, Oli. The guy has gone completely off the reservation.

The righties just don't get it: We don't want or need a "Preacher-in-Chief."

Their refusal to separate religion from politics has made a joke of their party. And to be honest, I feel very bad for the moderate Republicans because they're going to pay the price for this for a long time coming.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635554
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #635580
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.


I'm sure he believes alot of that (if not all of it), but he went purposely overload with his rhetoric because from all reports, Mittens is outspending him 30-1, so you gotta fight that Death Star attack some how.

It also keeps the topic on the culture war, and not on his Congressional record that Mittens is relentlessly pounding on, because Mittens can't fight him on that front.

Of course flipside, alot of that rhetoric can backfire even with primary voters. I mean asserting that pre-natal testing causes abortion? That's a little much to say the least.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635582
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The irony of the contraception argument is that all of these wingnuts are good arguments for birth control.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #635584
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I keep hearing that Santorum really believes what he's saying but I have to believe a lot of it is bullshit. I mean ALL politicians bullshit. Can he be that far whacked? confused

Seriously, I am amazed at how far this contraception/birth control issue is being pushed by the right. I mean it's even down to aspirin between your knees? WTF? uhwhat On the other hand, politically speaking, I say let them continue this bullshit and they'll lose not only women voters but votes in general. There are too many other important issues to deal with and voters are starting to take notice I think.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #635586
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This is starting to remind me of "THX 1138," which was George Lucas's first film (I think he was still a student at the time he made it). Anyway, it's set in the future and intercourse is banned. But I don't want to give Santorum any ideas.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635591
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I think that Santorumis using it to stir the right-wing cultural pot. But he does believe it. Regardless of primary outcomes, his strategy will contiue to erode female support tot he point where Republican females will stay home or they will support Obama. He alreadyhas a gender gap as does th Republican Party. So, Santorum is just making it worse. And Romney has little influence with females.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635641
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Some of you have probably seen this guy:

By msnbc.com staff

A sheriff has stepped down as Arizona co-chairman of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign amid allegations of misconduct made by a man with whom he previously had a relationship. At a press conference Saturday outside his office in Florence, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu called the man’s allegations, published Thursday in a Phoenix New Times story, "completely false."

He said the only information mentioned in the article that's true is "I'm gay," The Arizona Republic reported.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635688
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Wreckless Predix: Mittens will at wednesday's debate pursue the "we're all pro-life, but you're too muh for alot of us" meme against Santorum.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635708
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If Mittens goes after Santorum on earmarks at the debate, he's taking a considerable risk

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In recent weeks, Romney has portrayed himself as an uncompromising fiscal conservative and criticized Santorum for being a “strong defender” of federal earmarks.

But Senate lobbying records show that the Salt Lake City Olympics Committee under Romney spent $3.5 million employing five lobbying firms in addition to its own in-house lobbying shop. Among their goals: winning federal earmarks that included $60 million for "perimeter" security; $15.8 million for "international sporting competitions"; $3 million for an extension of a Salt Lake City light rail project; as well as millions more for communications equipment, sewer projects and other programs aimed at supporting the Olympics.


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The overall federal cost of the 2002 Olympics has been estimated at about $1.5 billion, although Romney defenders say much of this was put in place before he took over the Olympics Committee in 1999. But Romney later touted his efforts in his book about the Winter Olympics, “Turnaround,” writing that he directed his chief Washington lobbyist “to bring in more federal funding than had ever been appropriated for any Olympics, summer or winter.”

And he made his success in doing so a selling point when he ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002. “I was successful in organizing the Olympics, got record funds from the federal government," he said then.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...word-for-romney

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635709
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635755
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This is a pretty interestin article on the Catholic vote. Give it a read.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/20...vote/?hpt=hp_t1


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635781
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Santorum press secretary on TV earlier today...


Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635855
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Romney: Gov't Grew '80 Percent' During Santorum's Time In Congress

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-govt-grew

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Pinterest highlights photos of the luxury hotels that appear under "TRAVEL: LODGING" in Mitt Romney's January 2012 campaign finance report.


http://pinterest.com/thinkprogress/luxury-hotels-of-the-romney-campaign/

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635923
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Last week Santorum excorciated the US public education system by decrying the federal government's particpation in it. However, what I think many listeners failed to pick up on is how he also decryed state participation in it. Madonne! Isn't it one of the Republican's mantras that states should be free to govern themselves? I hope this comes up in tomorrow's debate.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #635946
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Last week Santorum excorciated the US public education system by decrying the federal government's particpation in it. However, what I think many listeners failed to pick up on is how he also decryed state participation in it. Madonne! Isn't it one of the Republican's mantras that states should be free to govern themselves? I hope this comes up in tomorrow's debate.

The man seems to possess a very bleak view of the American national character. Insulting the electorate and accusing it of "moral weakness" is no way to go about getting yourself elected President.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #635961
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After living in Michigan for 31 years, I simply must agree with Mitt. The trees are most definitely "the right height" and "I love cars." lol lol Wow, I never realized how hard a time Mitt has trying to be not rich.



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #635981
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
After living in Michigan for 31 years, I simply must agree with Mitt. The trees are most definitely "the right height" and "I love cars." lol lol Wow, I never realized how hard a time Mitt has trying to be not rich.



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What a dork. lol

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635982
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He needs to clarify this statement.

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Mitt Romney said that cutting spending slows growth in the economy -- the "sort of comment was sure to raise the eyebrows of fiscal conservatives in the GOP, who have long preached a message of fiscal restraint as a path to economic growth," NBC News reports.

Said Romney: "If you just cut, if all you're thinking about doing is cutting spending, as you cut spending you'll slow down the economy. So you have to, at the same time, create pro-growth tax policies."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10469786-romney-spending-cuts-slow-economic-growth

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635986
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I have no idea what he was trying to say when he uttered that the trees were the right height. The context of his rambling monologue suggested that he wanted to distinguish himself from Santorum by embracing sentimentality of being a native of Michigan. His delivery was almost as awkward as Rick Perry's drunken speech in New Hampshire.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636060
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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636093
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Good to know our Republic is safe.

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A National Journal analysis of January's campaign-disclosure filings reveals that 25% of all the money raised by Super PACs came from just five donors.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-pres...people-20120222

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636097
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*facepalm*

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"I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress," - Rick Santorum, 1995.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/rick-santorum-abortion_n_1291634.html

The race is over.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636099
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Or maybe not. Mittens:

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but for high income folks, we are going to cut back on that so we make sure the top 1% keeps paying, paying the current share they’re paying or more.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/02/even_mitt_cant_resist_it.php?ref=fpblg

Robama '12!

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636100
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Some of you may have heard Franklin Graham on Morning joe yesterday. Once again, he doubted Obama's christianity. Today he corrected that by saying that he was only addressing Obama's position on abortion.

This guy doesn't make a mole on his Dad's rearend. His dad was not into this kind of crap statements and was a true evangelist.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #636105
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Did anyone see Steven Colbert the other night? I only saw a short clip in which he's talking about how Mitt is doing in the polls in Michigan. Colbert said, "Michigan named it's shape after him." lol



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #636106
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Btw, I'm seeing brief clips of the President jamming with BB King and another of my favorites Mick Jagger. Not sure what the event was. confused



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #636128
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Where can I get a Santorum sweater vest? whistle


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #636143
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Where can I get a Santorum sweater vest? whistle


Probably at your local Rectory. The nuns knit them.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #636155
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Not watching the debate, but I caught this on a live-blogging commentary:

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I would have turned off the TV by now if I weren't being paid to keep watching.


EDIT - I'm glad actually I'm not watching this debate, because from the details coming out, I would've thrown my shoe at the Tv.

Quote:
Newt calls Obama a baby-killer. Then Romney says there has never been in America an administration more opposed to religious freedom. Santorum seems to be arguing that teen sexuality requires us to argue against contraception.


I want to laugh at this absurdity, but I can't. sick

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