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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635285
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First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

All I have to do is remember that this caveman is the author of the "Santorum Amendment" to the No Child Left Behind bill, which advocated teaching intelligent design in schools.


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Ron Paul's delegate math:

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In Minnesota, where Paul nabbed 27 percent of the caucus vote, the Paul campaign estimates that 75 percent of the current delegates are Paul supporters. In Colorado, where Paul got 12 percent of the vote, 50 percent of the delegates are Paul supporters. Now delegates face elimination rounds, so it’s unclear if the Paul campaign will be successful or not in maintaining these percentages. But the campaign is hoping to pull it off.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/291258/pauls-delegate-advantage-katrina-trinko

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Obama poised to win 2012 election with 303 electoral votes: The Signal Forecast By David Rothschild & Chris Wilson

With fewer than nine months to go before Election Day, The Signal predicts that Barack Obama will win the presidential contest with 303 electoral votes to the Republican nominee's 235.

How do we know? We don't, of course. Campaigns and candidates evolve, and elections are dynamic events with more variables than can reasonably be distilled in an equation. But the data--based on a prediction engine created by Yahoo! scientists--suggest a second term is likely for the current president. This model does not use polls or prediction markets to directly gauge what voters are thinking. Instead, it forecasts the results of the Electoral College based on past elections, economic indicators, measures of state ideology, presidential approval ratings, incumbency, and a few other politically agnostic factors


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635312
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As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall. Saying stupid things like this only helps to paint them as woefully out of touch.

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"Appearing on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell today, Foster Friess, the main donor to the Super PAC backing Rick Santorum’s presidential bid, dismissed the controversy surrounding President Obama’s new birth control rule by suggesting that women should just keep their legs shut. Asked if he worried that Santorum’s Puritanical views on sex and social issues could hurt the candidate in the general election, Friess offered a more home-spun family planning scheme:

FRIESS: On this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s so inexpensive. 'You know, back in my days, they used Baer Aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly."'


Gals put it between their knees


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Lilo] #635321
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall.


That snapshot of the all-male "witness" table at that House hearing on Birth Control? Bad politics.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
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As discussed elsewhere, the more that Republicans want to go to the mattresses on contraception, as opposed to religious freedom or mandate issues the more likely they will be to lose in the fall.


That snapshot of the all-male "witness" table at that House hearing on Birth Control? Bad politics.


Indeed it was. People should learn how to manage the news cycle. Take away an easy opposition talking point by having any of the numerous pro-life/anti-contraceptive women there. Utterly cynical of course but as Littlefinger(Game of Thrones) would tell you, go with what works! rolleyes


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Santorum has been accused of many things, but never as a friend of the Unions.

Romney slams Santorum’s labor votes

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/arti...ms_labor_votes/

As a former Governor of an obviously non-union state like Massachusetts, won't that charge possibly backfire on him? Just thinking outloud.

EDIT - one thing I've learned from these primaries. All these candidates are for Big Government apparently, if you listen to their attacks against each other. Surreal though seeing Mittens in the flesh champion himself as the "true" conservative unlike Santorum. How about neither of you?

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635331
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If he has the money, and works on it...well he'll never get the money.

Santorum: Romney favored Wall Street bailout, but not Detroit bailout

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-habe...not-114726.html

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #635339
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

Actually, Foster Friess is 72 years old. And he's the one who made the remark, not Santorum. Although he does speak for the guy, so it's understandable that Santorum is getting the backlash.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635344
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Top Ten Catholic Teachings Santorum Rejects while Obsessing about Birth Control

http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/top-ten-...th-control.html

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Top Ten Catholic Teachings Santorum Rejects while Obsessing about Birth Control

http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/top-ten-...th-control.html

I saw that, Ronnie. Santorum has become an Evangelical (not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as you're not a fanatic).

But you just gave me an idea. I'm going to speak with my own Parish Priest this weekend and get his opinion on Slick Rick. I'll let you know wink smile.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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First of all, who the F says "gals"?? No matter the context, unless you're in a 1940s musical, it's condescending. Secondly, really? Bayer aspirin between the knees in "your day"? You're 52 YEARS OLD! And I'm pretty sure that when you graduated from college in 1980, I'm pretty sure that the whole revolutionary concept of the Pill was over, for the rest of the world, anyway.

Actually, Foster Friess is 72 years old. And he's the one who made the remark, not Santorum. Although he does speak for the guy, so it's understandable that Santorum is getting the backlash.


I obviously didn't read the full quote earlier, just saw Santorum's name connected with it. Definitely a mistake on my part.

However, I do have a question about this man's POV that women should just keep their legs closed. How about men just keep it in their pants?? rolleyes


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635352
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To be fair, while some may obsess about contraception, it is legitimately within the contect of "Congress shall make no law .. prohibiting the free exercise thereof [religion]". The question to be answered is, when religion (and those who exercise it) enters the secular sphere, does it (and they) shed 1st amendment protection?

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #635365
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

I saw that, Ronnie. Santorum has become an Evangelical (not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as you're not a fanatic).

But you just gave me an idea. I'm going to speak with my own Parish Priest this weekend and get his opinion on Slick Rick. I'll let you know wink smile.


Sounds like fun.

Cole forgot #11, unless I'm wrong, Santorum also doesn't believe in evolution. Which Rome accepts.

Most Catholics in the Western world seem to treat the Church like they do the local Salad bar: take what they want and leave the rest behind.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635369
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Romney Is Attacking Santorum for Being Pro-Union. How Absurd.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/100805/santorum-blue-collar-appeal-voters

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635372
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Now it's getting personal.

Team Romney: Santorum Lacks 'Basic Level Of Competence' To Run For President

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"One of the things with Senator Santorum, he's not even on every ballot. He won't even be on all the ballots across the country, including Virginia. There tends to be a basic level of the test of competence in running for president, the ability to get on the ballot everywhere to reflect on how you can govern as president. Senator Santorum has looked to his record as a consultant and everyone knows you don't hire a consultant to run your company. You interview a consultant, you take their advice, throw out half of it and then you turn to managers like Gov. Romney to get the work done and to choose what needs to be done."


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/team-romney-santorum-lacks-basic-level-of-competence

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #635398
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Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism, and the following editorial is one of the most intelligent I've ever read about Catholics and the birth control issue.

http://www.lohud.com/article/20120212/OP...-contraceptives


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I've had a discussion or two with carmela (Tag), who is Catholic about this. I'm not Catholic but it seems to me that if the Catholics presented in this article feel they can just pick and choose what they'll believe and what they'll adhere to, them really believing the Pope and the church is led by God can seriously be called into question.


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That's a discussion for a different thread.


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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism


I know the term. I hear that mostly thrown by right-winger Catholics (and Evangelical Romanphiles) against the left-leaning members, when really is absolutely applies to both halves.

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Meanwhile the president over here resigned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17072479
Well, he's less important than the US vice president.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Ronnie, it's actually called Cafeteria Catholicism


I know the term. I hear that mostly thrown by right-winger Catholics (and Evangelical Romanphiles) against the left-leaning members, when really is absolutely applies to both halves.

Yes, it does. The only difference is the hypocrisy of the Evangelicals when they get caught with their pants down (literally not figuratively)*.

*Oh, please forgive me Lord. And to my flock, I sweaaaaaaar it was my first time getting fellated in an airport bathroom by a barely legal sexually confused college freshman.


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Mittens on thursday:

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Reacting to suggestions that -- based on an op-ed he wrote for the New York Times in 2008 -- he would have allowed General Motors and Chrysler to be liquidated:

"I can't even listen to that. Of course I wouldn't have allowed them to be liquidated."


Not to be a condescending dick, but what's the difference between "let them go bankrupt" and "I wouldn't have allowed them to be liquidated"? I'm sure there is a legitimate difference in the technical detailing and I would like to know the exact difference, but in rhetoric this shit is obviously very confusing for the average voter.

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On the federal auto rescue:

"I didn't agree with the process. But the outcome has been wonderful. The companies are more competitive, profitable and they're adding jobs."


*facepalm*

http://www.freep.com/article/20120217/NEWS15/202170439/What-Romney-said

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Getting nasty!

Santorum: Mittens earmarks too!

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As Mitt Romney celebrates the 10-year anniversary of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, Rick Santorum campaigned in Ohio, blasting Romney for soliciting earmarks while heading up the games.

"One of Mitt Romney's greatest accomplishments, one of the things he talks about most is how he heroically showed up on the scene and bailed out and resolved the problems of the Salt Lake City Olympic Games. He heroically bailed out the Salt Lake City Olympic Games by heroically going to Congress and asking them for tens of millions of dollars to bail out the Salt Lake games -- in an earmark," he said. "In an earmark for the Salt Lake Olympic Games."

"One of his strongest supporters, John McCain, called it potentially the worst boondoggle in earmark history," Santorum continued. "And now Governor Romney is suggesting, 'Oh Rick Santorum earmarked' as he requested almost half a billion dollars in earmarks as governor of Massachusetts to his federal congressmen and senators. Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?"


http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/santorum-returns-fire-on-earmarks-114918.html

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How will the eventual winner go about picking a running mate?

They're alienating everyone with this ugly behavior. All three of them (Newt, Mitt, Santorum).


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So the new Sheriff Babeu scandal (Anti-immigration leader with gay Mexican lover), I won't go into it since the media is all over it. But it impacts the primaries somewhat in that he's stepped down from working in Mittens' campaign. What was his role? Arizona Co-chair for Mittens.

Which I might add the obvious: That primary is in less than 2 weeks.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/babeu-stepping-down-from-role-with-romney-campaign

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EDIT - Babeu at a press conference outed himself, but says the affiar charges are false. If that allegation is true about the Mexican lover, I must ask a burning question: Is it safe to assume they did the Dirty Sanchez?

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Santorum: Obama follows "phoney" Christianity

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"The president has reached a new low in this country's history of oppressing religious freedom that we have never seen before. If he doesn't want to call his imposition of his values a theology that's fine, but it is an imposition of his values over a church who has very clear theological reasons for opposing what the Obama administration is forcing on them."


http://www.kjonline.com/Santorum-says-Obama-follows-a-phony-Christianity.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...le?ocid=twitter

Santorum says Obama agenda not "based on Bible"

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-bible-011457960.html

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Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Did any of you watch Rick Santorum on Face the Nation? He espoused opposition to amniocentesis and, get this, states running public schools. I'm telling you, this guy is the Catholic version of an evangelical who wants to use religion to run government.


I didn't see it but saw a short clip. You're right. The guy is coming across more and more as a religious nutjob. Well, I kind of had the impression he was somewhat of a NJ but he keeps going further and further confirming that's the case. It's his fifteen minutes.

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