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Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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Fox's Liz Trotta On Sexual Assault In Military: "What Did They Expect? These People Are In Close Contact"During a segment about new rules regarding women in the military, Fox News contributor Liz Trotta attacked the Department of Defense for increasing spending on support programs for victims of sexual assault. Trotta also reacted to a Pentagon report showing a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults since 2006 by stating: "Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact."
Trotta began by claiming "we have women once more, the feminist, going, wanting to be warriors and victims at the same time" and later added that feminists "have also directed them, really, to spend a lot of money. They have sexual counselors all over the place, victims' advocates, sexual response coordinators. ... you have this whole bureaucracy upon bureaucracy being built up with all kinds of levels of people to support women in the military who are now being raped too much."
When Fox News anchor Eric Shawn said that "many would say that they need to be protected," Trotta replied: "That's funny, I thought the mission of the" armed forces "was to defend and protect us, not the people who were fighting the war." http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202120002
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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Media matters? Pffft.
Women in the military certainly shouldn't "expect" to get raped. But the ongoing efforts to integrate them more and more in the military (specifically closer to combat, on subs, etc.) is nothing but PC-driven horseshit. Because women haven't been in "combat" in the last decade? Pfft. I would call it trying to codify the bureaucracy with reality.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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02/15/12 03:17 AM
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The issue here, at least for me, isn't what has happened or what will happen. It's what should happen vs. what should not happen.
It says something about a society when it looks at women serving in direct combat as a good thing. When what makes a woman a woman takes a back seat in the name of politically correct ideology.
It's not reality that caused women to serve closer to combat after centuries of them not doing so. A certain ideology got that started. It's not reality that is pushing for them to serve on submarines. A certain ideology is behind that.
However, there is a reason why women are not required to sign up for the selective service. There is a reason why women are not allowed in the special forces. It's because men and women are manifestly different. No matter how much the liberal, progressive, feminist, bullshitters want to pretend otherwise. Most women, even those in the military, can't carry their own weight. Is one of them going to carry a larger, male soldier off the battlefield?
Ultimately this is part of the same sick thinking that turns something wrong into something good. It's not killing a child. It's a woman exercising her "right" to choose. It's not the whole concept of marriage being twisted around. It's two men/two women exercising their "right" to marry.
Truly, what "this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace."
Rant over.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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Essentially, what she and Ivy (above) are claiming is that since the integration of males and females in all aspects of military service is a challenge, it should not be attempted. What alegacy for America; not accepting challenges.
Uh...I'm not saying it shouldn't be done because it's a challenge. I'm saying women shouldn't be in combat positions because it isn't right or practical.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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Essentially, what she and Ivy (above) are claiming is that since the integration of males and females in all aspects of military service is a challenge, it should not be attempted. What alegacy for America; not accepting challenges.
Uh...I'm not saying it shouldn't be done because it's a challenge. I'm saying women shouldn't be in combat positions because it isn't right or practical. "right"? A moral observation? "practical"? You might want to solicit the Israeli armed forces opinion about its experience with women in all aspects of Israeli military activity. Nevertheless, women serving in all aspects of US military activity is still a challenge.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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"right"? A moral observation?
Indeed "practical"? You might want to solicit the Israeli armed forces opinion about its experience with women in all aspects of Israeli military activity. Israel is a special case, considering the fact it's a small country surrounded by it's enemies. If it comes to ultimate survival, as is the case with the Israelis, that's one thing. There is nothing like that as far as the U.S. goes. If women were a practical necessity, not only would they have been involved far more in the past, they'd also be required to sign up for selective service.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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Raping , Hazing, and this type of behavior in the military forces ! Is not only sick, disturbing, shameful, and shows what type of IDIOT's that are in now days !
To the Good Men and Women, that serve which, ARE, many they should kick the living shit out these worthless , slimebag MF's that are doing these violations ! Anyone that stands down and let this behavior go on are also dirt bags to the highest degree ! Should be kicked out , after Military Court and serve time.
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Re: Should Military Women "expect" to get raped?
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"right"? A moral observation?
Indeed "practical"? You might want to solicit the Israeli armed forces opinion about its experience with women in all aspects of Israeli military activity. Israel is a special case, considering the fact it's a small country surrounded by it's enemies. If it comes to ultimate survival, as is the case with the Israelis, that's one thing. There is nothing like that as far as the U.S. goes. If women were a practical necessity, not only would they have been involved far more in the past, they'd also be required to sign up for selective service. I see. So practicality is a function of exigent circumstances or misogyny? And morality is gender dependent?
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