Chicago basically told New York to get the fuck out of Las Vegas back in the late 1950's.

I thought they got Vegas to themselves after they killed Alan Dorfman? Someone big at least. That and they helped the Eastern families get a strong hold in AC.

Though I do have to kinda agree with you, Chicago does pick it's wiseguys better. There's a far more organized structure in NY, but it seems that Chicago has a better run on it's organization.

Though one thing Chicago never had was as strong as a hold on unions and most notably docks like the Eastern families did and have.

Dick Nose, I like Philly very much. Been to South Philly a few times. I was born in Chicago and my uncle has been a made guy in the Outfit for over 30 years. before that he was a soldier for about 18 years. I know a lot about it. The Chicago Outfit is very well organized and still has tremendous power in Chicago and out west. Like everything else, the Outfit has downsized to 4 Street Crews: Elmwood Park ( Dominent ), Grand Ave., Cicero & 26th St. The Dominent Crew is called the ( extended ) Elmwood Park Crew because within the crew there is a Capo with made men besides the Top Boss of the Entire Outfit who has men directly with him. Back in 1957, Sam Giancana became th Boss of the extended Taylor St. Crew and Top Boss of the Outfit. There was no sub dominent Crew. The other 4 crews at that time were Rush St., Cicero, Elmwood Park & Chicago Heights. All were partnered with Giancana & his men who ran Bookmaking, Poker machines, Loan Sharking, Union Racketeering etc. I learned a lot by watching and asking certain harmless types of questions at the right moments. I learned how truly powerful the Outfit was and that it reached all the way out to Las Vegas & the West Coast. The Outfit almost literally ran Chicago and had tremendous influence in the 50 wards in the city and all the suburbs. I learned about the tremendous difference between the Chicago Outfit and the 5 Families in New York. I always thought, along with a lot of other people, that the Outfit was much better organized than New York and much less chaotic. There were also made men who were specialists of sorts who were direct with the Top Boss. During this time, from 1957 to 1966, the Outfit had maybe 300 men who actually belonged to the street crews, however, maybe 75 at the most were actually made men. In order to be made, you had to be full Italian. Made men were very elite and ran and supervised franchises. the Soldiers in the crews worked under the made men as collectors, Bookmaking office agents etc. There were several Little Italies in Chicago. Years ago, the biggest was Taylor St. on the west side. That is where my uncle was born.

Chicago does have legitimate construction companies that do work outside of Philadelphia in the wealthy suburbs. They also have some trucking companies as well.

PS: Hey Nicholas did you get your button yet to the mickey mouse club>>>???????????????????

Well, since you want to start with name calling, Yes Admiral New York Dick Nose, What I'm saying is that the Government has always considered the Chicago Outfit ( not just the Top Boss) but the entire Chicago Outfit as a more powerful better organized Mafia Group over any of the New York Families.

The Chicago Outfit basically elected John Kennedy in 1964.

I'm simply stating what the reports have been from the F.B.I. & The C.I.A. There's no point arguing with me about it.

This is again some kind of inside information from outfit ?

This was a sarcasm,we already had guy like that from chicago talking with all that inside knowledge and no sources to prove it.And that Outfit is more powerful than NY families,i don't agree.

Yeah - What ever happened to The Bridgeport Vet?

I am from Chicago. My Uncle is a made man in the Outfit and has been for years.

Muk, still can't wait for the Buffalo Chart.

I'll rest my case.

ChicagoDon,

I think you screwed up Mukremin´s thread. Please post your Chicago stuff in the "Chicago Outfit" thread.

Chicago, all the way in Philly? Hhphm...

Not yet. I've got plenty of patience, I'd like to earn it rather than ask/beg.

Okay, no problem. I'LL post the Chicago Outfit stuff on another thread. A couple of you New Yorkers can fantasize how powerful the rat infested disorganized 5 Families are on this thread, including all the internal fighting that went on from the 1960's forward and all the Bosses that got killed by their own men and how the Zips dominated the stupid disorganized Bonnano Family where the Boss moved to Arizona and wrote a book about it.

Yeah i know, i have more charts to do. But these days i am very busy, but i will release it soon along with the other 1985 NY family charts.