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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/06/12 06:58 PM
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i'm talking in general not of a single area the truth is that the just doesnt have the same pull in this country as it did even a few decades ago. they are still the top dogs when it comes to bookmaking, gambling ect but as far as unrivaled power and influence its just not the case over here anymore. the northeast is the american mafias last stronghold and even there the influence is weakened. the government still goes after them hard but it seems to me its more of a pr move at this point. im not trying to argue, just enlighten. i dont claim to know whats going on in italy and maybe you should be a little more open minded as these boards are for learning. Exactly. The Mafia (LCN) still has this reputation in a lot of people's minds as being this all-powerful and unrivaled criminal group that makes every other criminal group run scared. In many guys minds, a made man can walk on water. I mean, I don't worship criminals or extoll the virtues of any criminal group, but to me, the facts are clear: The American Mafia has not been the top criminal group in the USA for a long time. There's way too much competition. Changing demographics played a huge role. LCN lost its influence in the prisons, too. Lewisburg no longer has a Mafia Row. Nowadays, LCN members in the can have to use other ethnic groups for protection.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/06/12 07:01 PM
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I think it hurts some guys feelings on here that the mob is no longer the top criminal organization in America....The fact that La Cosa Nostra is not even as strong as some of these inner city street gangs is a testament as to how far the granddaddy of all U.S crime rings, La Cosa Nostra, has fallen! It doesn't bother me. But a lot people have this romanticized vision of La Cosa Nostra as being a more respectable, righteous evil organization than the others. So, when another group comes along and challenges them or, in many cases, overtakes them, the pro-La Cosa Nostra fanboys get all bent out of shape! LCN went from controlling entire cities to controlling certain neighborhoods down to controlling certain sections of neighborhoods. And in many cases, former Mafia strongholds are now run by other ethnic groups. I don't know why this seems to bother some guys. Criminals are criminals. Let them all kill each other! I don't believe we have many teenagers on the board so I doubt it would hurt anyone's feelings if LCN or any other criminal group went extinct, however everything you just said is wrong. Give us one example of when another group openly challenged and defeated any LCN family. Just one. Not even as powerful as a street gang? Well the FBI seems to think LCN is still the biggest homegrown threat in the country but I'm sure your "sources" on street gangs are more accurate than the FBI's right? http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/organizedcrime/italian_mafia
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/06/12 08:36 PM
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It makes you feel better to think that the glorious LCN is still the top dog in the criminal underworld? I bet you have a John Gotti poster hanging on your bedroom wall! yes they are still in new york and a couple of other cities, if you think they are not the top dogs in new york youre talking out of your ass no matter you live there and me not of course they are much less strong than they used to be in the past but being the biggest priority in some areas it means they are the strongest there i don't think fbi would be so interested in going after them if they were a bunch of nobody like you claim Yes, in New York LCN is still strong. New York is one of the last areas where LCN is a big force. But they've lost a lot of strength and influence, partly due to law enforcement crackdowns and partly because of the shifting demographics and emergence of other ethnic criminal groups. I never said they were a nobody; I said they are not the top criminal force anymore. If the mob was so big and bad, they would own and run all the major moneymaking rackets and share profits with nobody. But it's not like that. The LCN has to work with other groups; or, on a smaller scale, focus on small gambling and loansharking operations within their own boroughs.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/06/12 09:27 PM
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m2w, was looking for any info you might have on the present day activities of the Sacra Corona Unita such as size influence ect? This could be a decent topic, if ya know..it was in it's own thread, or the proper thread. Forgive me for saying, maybe it's the woman in me, maybe I like things organized... but you guys open new threads everytime the slightest thought crosses your minds, except when you should.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 08:21 AM
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How i see street gangs: just a bunch of idi*ts capable of running nothing expect petty crimes etc The real deal are: Russians,Mexicans,Columbians and Italians.The one i mentioned will always have much more money then street gangs, but they will never have man power that street gangs have. They easily could have more man power than a street gang if they wanted to. more $$$ = more hired help
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 08:27 AM
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It makes you feel better to think that the glorious LCN is still the top dog in the criminal underworld? I bet you have a John Gotti poster hanging on your bedroom wall! yes they are still in new york and a couple of other cities, if you think they are not the top dogs in new york youre talking out of your ass no matter you live there and me not of course they are much less strong than they used to be in the past but being the biggest priority in some areas it means they are the strongest there i don't think fbi would be so interested in going after them if they were a bunch of nobody like you claim Yes, in New York LCN is still strong. New York is one of the last areas where LCN is a big force. But they've lost a lot of strength and influence, partly due to law enforcement crackdowns and partly because of the shifting demographics and emergence of other ethnic criminal groups. I never said they were a nobody; I said they are not the top criminal force anymore. If the mob was so big and bad, they would own and run all the major moneymaking rackets and share profits with nobody. But it's not like that. The LCN has to work with other groups; or, on a smaller scale, focus on small gambling and loansharking operations within their own boroughs. Small gambling and loansharking? Some families run huge operations, the biggest in the country and the laws are tougher on all syndicates now days, not just the mafia. Look at the gang stats posted by NickyScarfo- Gangs were at there peak in the early-mid 90's and have declined steadily. It much harder for all criminals now day and I don't know why you people are acting as though the cops and prosecutors only use new laws, new forensics and other new technology ect on the mafia and when it comes to other criminals they are only use 1950's technology and procedures. Also the mafia has always worked with others so your comment that they are now forced to work with other groups because they are so weak is moot. I guess your not up on your mob history or you would know that's exactly why Lucky Luciano killed his boss, because his boss didn't want to work with other ethnics.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 08:39 AM
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and what? perna wanted to meet him, typical of the mob, he didn't fear to meet and probably it would hurt him if he didn't obey the same happened with the so-called ultraviolent rudaj, after he meet squitieri he calm down and he was cared... the mob is still extremely feared in certain areas i never said perna feared him but he knew it wasnt a good idea to confront the guy without some sort of backup the blood would be more afraid of. He couldnt just go their and say im part of the lucchese crime family now stop it before i go tell my daddy. Why does everyone bring up the albanians? I take it your on about the meeting where they held a gun to the gas pump when squiteri confronted them. But it dont really prove your point because they running around a good 3 or 4 years before that doing and taking what they wanted before gambinos stepped up to them. And i never heard anywhere they actually had to give anything back either. i aint saying the italians arent feared but their not above anyone. Actually more like it took the small Albanian crew 3-4 years to even get on the Gambino's radar. You are completely wrong if you think any domestic American syndicate is above the mafia.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 09:31 AM
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Mussolini, the five families are a domestic american syndicate. Very few of them are connected to sicilian gangsters in sicily.
This is one of the truest statements I've read on here. Sicilian mafioso that are here in the US (and by Sicilian, I mean born and raised in Sicily) have little to do with Italo-American mafia anymore. They don't care that your father's mother is from Sicily, blah blah blah. To them, you're American and that means they don't trust you and in fact, they make jokes about american mafia (you understand why). They come to the US and seek out their own, to do business with their own, from their very own town in Sicily ideally, and they are the only ones they trust and will do business with anymore. The American mob are pretty much flying solo these days with little to no connection to homeland in Sicily. There are a few still around, Frank Cali is one, but he's born in the US, anyhow.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 09:40 AM
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people can agree to disagree about the albanians. When it comes to things like gambling and labour rackets and their history then yeah they are a cut above the rest. But what im saying is on the street in this day and age when it comes down to it they are on the same level as most other groups. No one needs to really go to them for anything and no one needs to work with them.
Mussolini, the five families are a domestic american syndicate. Very few of them are connected to sicilian gangsters in sicily. True,i know that Frank Cali and a lot of guys from gambino have connections to Sicilian Mafia,Their boss is Sicilian and a reputed soldier Lorenzo Mannino is italian born too.Today they work with other groups and they always worked,like 3-4 months ago some Russians and Gambinos,Bonannos were arrested for bringing womens from Eastern Europe to NY.Better to work with each other and earn money together,than to be in war with each other. Yeah there are probably a handful of guys with connections, but most of your average mob soldiers are not that wide in scope of criminal activities and cannot make use of connections like that. In that case the russians were a separate group that were specialising in people trafficking and the italians were customers who could supply strip clubs with women. Shows they still got their hands in alot of vice activity in ny.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 09:57 AM
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Mussolini, the five families are a domestic american syndicate. Very few of them are connected to sicilian gangsters in sicily.
This is one of the truest statements I've read on here. Sicilian mafioso that are here in the US (and by Sicilian, I mean born and raised in Sicily) have little to do with Italo-American mafia anymore. They don't care that your father's mother is from Sicily, blah blah blah. To them, you're American and that means they don't trust you and in fact, they make jokes about american mafia (you understand why). They come to the US and seek out their own, to do business with their own, from their very own town in Sicily ideally, and they are the only ones they trust and will do business with anymore. The American mob are pretty much flying solo these days with little to no connection to homeland in Sicily. There are a few still around, Frank Cali is one, but he's born in the US, anyhow. your right Back when the pizza connection was up the sicilians needed to allign themselves with a crime family for protection and also the connections on the street or else how were they gonna distribute their heroin otherwise. If they didnt they would be opening themselves up to getting robbed and shot at cause they had no real backup in the country. These days the sicilians that are left from back then are more closer to their american counterparts than italian ones because america is where theyve made their money and leaving the family leaves them vunerable. Its all about protection within mafia, its just an extortion racket on criminals within certain areas.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 05:06 PM
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But what im saying is on the street in this day and age when it comes down to it they are on the same level as most other groups i dont think so, they are still above the others since more sophisticated and entrenched on the contrary of other groups that are involved in petty crimes only they have still deals (although much less than the past) in unions, waste disposal, buildings,transports, ports, fruit and fishes markets, politics etc. i think they are still above the others by far, they were not reduced at the same level of eurasian, balkan groups or street gangs
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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02/07/12 05:24 PM
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But what im saying is on the street in this day and age when it comes down to it they are on the same level as most other groups i dont think so, they are still above the others since more sophisticated and entrenched on the contrary of other groups that are involved in petty crimes only they have still deals (although much less than the past) in unions, waste disposal, buildings,transports, ports, fruit and fishes markets, politics etc. i think they are still above the others by far, they were not reduced at the same level of eurasian, balkan groups or street gangs unions, waste disposal and the others you listed dont for most part bring them into any contact with other groups, the only people that go after them in those rackets are law enforcement. Im talking in terms of their relations with other gangs and also their place in the drug trade.
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