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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: m2w]
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01/29/12 10:58 PM
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more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/29/12 11:24 PM
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however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. i doubt the street gangs have familiarity with the mob style, they know their zones rules with most of members wearing bandanas and show tattoos, they are easy targets the made member of detroit mafia are known by other members only, a street gangs coulnd't know even where to start killing like getting your opinion,but have to disagree again. in the underworld money talks and getting/finding mobsters wouldnt be impossible, i bet with just a computer finding places where mobsters hang out could be done. if we were talking about the five families competing with street gangs you might have a better point but this is detroit for christs sake. that family will be lucky to even be around in 20 years and you can bet the gangs will still be there. face it, the dertoit family lost control of that warzone a long time ago and they arent coming back.
It's either blue cheese with wings or go fuck yer mudda!
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 12:15 AM
01/30/12 12:15 AM
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because of the proximity i think a large part of coke, mdma, cannabis and heroin could come from montreal Opinion, not at all fact.
(cough.)
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 04:41 AM
01/30/12 04:41 AM
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In the drug game your better dealing with blacks because they don't rat Remember the Stop Snitching campaign? They're were singing all to well for awhile.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 04:52 AM
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In the drug game your better dealing with blacks because they don't rat Remember the Stop Snitching campaign? They're were singing all to well for awhile. Shirts and everything those fuckers had. They should have printed some up for the Colombo family and Massino-era Bonannos.
(cough.)
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 04:57 AM
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more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful In the streets and in prison --- where it really matters, yeah it does. Felonies is right Detroit is probably going to be the first LCN family to be exinct, maybe after KC, but definitely up there. I like to think of myself as being honest with myself as to the state of the American mafia, maybe albeit a little to hopeful, naive, about the stability of the remaining families. But even if a rival crew of Nove Tocco (who's a snitch) tried to manipulate them into killing the head of a powerful biker gang; you really think there wouldn't be a far more brutal revenge on those wiseguys? Detroit may have some thick necked soldiers --- a handful, if that. But the Outlaws have literally hundreds, and whos far more down to Uzi some guys house or kill multiple enemies, instead of one good hit? Shit, when was Detroits last "hit", 2002?
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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01/30/12 05:02 AM
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Shirts and everything those fuckers had. They should have printed some up for the Colombo family and Massino-era Bonannos.
Those guys were more often than not, facing real prison sentences. And as with Massino, forfeiture of all assets ---fucking pieces of shit (the Feds more so than Massino). Most Yoms, who were the intended target of Stop Snitching are on drug or drug dealing pinches. A helluva lot different than drug trafficking RICO busts.
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"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 05:20 AM
01/30/12 05:20 AM
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The fuck's a yom?
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(cough.)
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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01/30/12 06:31 AM
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This is what snitchin gets you in the hood. http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/video/050809_Mob_Talk_Kaboni_Savage_Drug_Ring Suprised they didnt move the guys family somewhere else. As for the whole mafia vs mc/street gangs thing it would never happen because their activities are too different. The mobs main thing is gambling, loansharking extortion and labour racketeering.These sorts of things dont lead them into any competition with other groups except maybe eachother. With street gangs the only people that threaten them are other street gangs and drug traffickers. Bikers only really ever fight with other bikers because thats their priority to make sure other mcs stay out of their town.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 12:04 PM
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more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. I have to disagree. Are you really trying to argue that guys the mob hires for muscle are more powerful than the ones paying them? That's like saying a soldier is more powerful than the Don because he uses them for muscle. As far as man power goes, I think they would be about even as for every "made member" there are 5-10 associates. Bikers walk around with jackets IDing who they are and I believe the mob would have a much easier time knocking off key members of bike gang more so than the other way around. IF you are familiar with the book "the 6th family" Even someone as highly ranked as HA Mom Boucher was subservient to Vito, granted Detroit might not be as powerful as Montreal and we really don't know for sure how big or small the Detroit family is. Scott from the Realdeal forum who wrote a book on the subject believes they have 40-50 made guys on the street and knowledgeable guys like Ivy think the number is closer to 20. They would never fight anyway.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
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01/30/12 12:11 PM
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This is what snitchin gets you in the hood. http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/video/050809_Mob_Talk_Kaboni_Savage_Drug_Ring Suprised they didnt move the guys family somewhere else. As for the whole mafia vs mc/street gangs thing it would never happen because their activities are too different. The mobs main thing is gambling, loansharking extortion and labour racketeering.These sorts of things dont lead them into any competition with other groups except maybe eachother. With street gangs the only people that threaten them are other street gangs and drug traffickers. Bikers only really ever fight with other bikers because thats their priority to make sure other mcs stay out of their town. You forgot drugs. Don't kid yourself ever mob family is involved in the drug trade. Granted they don't sell dime bags on the street corner but they supply and provide the trade routes. In a recent bust it came out that the Gambino's were overseeing the drug trade in Queens and reestablishing contacts with Mafia families in Italy to import heroin and cocaine.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: Mussolini14]
#632369
01/30/12 12:27 PM
01/30/12 12:27 PM
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Five_Felonies
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more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. I have to disagree. Are you really trying to argue that guys the mob hires for muscle are more powerful than the ones paying them? That's like saying a soldier is more powerful than the Don because he uses them for muscle. As far as man power goes, I think they would be about even as for every "made member" there are 5-10 associates. Bikers walk around with jackets IDing who they are and I believe the mob would have a much easier time knocking off key members of bike gang more so than the other way around. IF you are familiar with the book "the 6th family" Even someone as highly ranked as HA Mom Boucher was subservient to Vito, granted Detroit might not be as powerful as Montreal. They would never fight anyway. more prone to violence it doesn't mean more powerful, mafia is sure more powerful in detroit that bikers or street gangs so i bet they would win a war in a long period the outlaws are based out of chicago, and in the case of an all out war they have alot of more manpower to call on. granted, size doesnt always dictate power but the detroit mob would not do well in an all out war with a biker org as feared as the outlaws. theres a reason the outfit uses them for musle. also, if you think the dertroit mafia is more powerful than the many street gangs of detroit i couldnt disagree more. detroit is a hell hole run by murderous savages while whats left of that family is a bunch of old men concentrating on gambling rings. your right when you say that being prone to violence doesnt always mean more powerful, however if the mob stepped on the toes ofsome of those gangbangers they wouldnt think twice of taking revenge on family or relatives. drug gangs play by different rules. I have to disagree. Are you really trying to argue that guys the mob hires for muscle are more powerful than the ones paying them? That's like saying a soldier is more powerful than the Don because he uses them for muscle. As far as man power goes, I think they would be about even as for every "made member" there are 5-10 associates. Bikers walk around with jackets IDing who they are and I believe the mob would have a much easier time knocking off key members of bike gang more so than the other way around. IF you are familiar with the book "the 6th family" Even someone as highly ranked as HA Mom Boucher was subservient to Vito, granted Detroit might not be as powerful as Montreal. They would never fight anyway. some good points and although they would probably never fight this is a hypothetical situation. also for every full patch member of a biker gang there are many more prospects and hang-arounds just as the mob has associates. when the mob hires other groups out for muscle its for mutual benifit as in montreal. not trying to argue that the ha was more influential in montreal, as they have been decimated recently but to think that the rizzutos would give orders and the ha would follow blindly doesnt fly with me. working together is better for everyone which is why groups prefer to work together. bikers are very independent by nature and to think that any group would dictate to them what to do and not expect serious blowback just inst viable. i enjoyed the 6th family but christ that book made it seem like the rizzutos were the most powerful criminal org on earth so i tend to take all the hype with a grain of salt.
It's either blue cheese with wings or go fuck yer mudda!
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: Mussolini14]
#632372
01/30/12 01:03 PM
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This is what snitchin gets you in the hood. http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/video/050809_Mob_Talk_Kaboni_Savage_Drug_Ring Suprised they didnt move the guys family somewhere else. As for the whole mafia vs mc/street gangs thing it would never happen because their activities are too different. The mobs main thing is gambling, loansharking extortion and labour racketeering.These sorts of things dont lead them into any competition with other groups except maybe eachother. With street gangs the only people that threaten them are other street gangs and drug traffickers. Bikers only really ever fight with other bikers because thats their priority to make sure other mcs stay out of their town. You forgot drugs. Don't kid yourself ever mob family is involved in the drug trade. Granted they don't sell dime bags on the street corner but they supply and provide the trade routes. In a recent bust it came out that the Gambino's were overseeing the drug trade in Queens and reestablishing contacts with Mafia families in Italy to import heroin and cocaine. sorry my bad Yeah i know they are involved with drugs buts not on the level they used to. Their mostly midlevel traffickers with maybe some that are involved with the wholesale end. They dont control the supply or trade routes. In that case in queens they probably oversaw and supplied a significant number of dealers and collected tax off of them but they were probably being supplied by a different group altogether. Basically like everyother drug gang. Italian connection thing is from 2008 bust when they were attempting restablish drug trade with the sicilians but theres been no real evidence that they have.
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Re: Jack Tocco(detroit mafia)vsTaco Bowman(Outlawsmc)
[Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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01/30/12 03:49 PM
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lol, sorry about that man. You of Italian descent? I know your Aussie, but there's a bunch of Calabrian descented peoples in Melbourne. Yom, is short for mulignon, an Italian-American term for blacks, originating from melanzina, or egg plant. It's not racist per se, though in Hollywood films and TV, it typically has a racist connotation. Though Italian-Americans are typically portrayed as prejudiced against, particularly, blacks which is a shame. Mulignan is half-offensive depending on context, though has none of the connotation or history that other American racial epithets have.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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