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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #632029
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.
You got it my friend wink

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?


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Originally Posted By: olivant
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Originally Posted By: olivant
What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?

You live in Texas and you don't drink beer?

Now tell me you don't eat red meat, either tongue lol.

Better watch out Rick Perry doesn't deport you for being a sissy.


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wink cool No matter what ya drink it is all good . I also love my food. Guess in the long run we can only hope and pray for the best . wink

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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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What in the world is fair?

A cold beer after a hard day's work.


But, I don't like beer. So, what's fair? Wine?

You live in Texas and you don't drink beer?

Now tell me you don't eat red meat, either tongue lol.

Better watch out Rick Perry doesn't deport you for being a sissy.


I don't drink alcohol except wine just a few glasses a year.

If he tangled with me, Rick Perry would mess up his panties.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #632055
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

However with regards to "setting the record straight," remember those polls when Dubya was President that 10-15% of Americans thought the government was behind 9/11? Now you have 10-15% who apparently think the current President is a Muslim. I'm sure the same retarded insane 10-15% will believe what they want to believe about a President Romney.

Because the most successful political smears work on general public ignorance. That's always been the case.

I posted that article and allegation at another message board, and the local liberals there kneejerked in disgust, but then claim they're above using one's religion against a candidate. I wish we Internet users were there together in the flesh so I could give them a long, bland stare. Really? Bullshit. I can clearly see that public front used to attack the LDS later this year, in the form of the Holocaust victims. Nevermind the inevitable extention of already existing jokes about polygamy and "magic underwear."

But to defend those liberals, I'm damn certain Newt will beat them to it. A animal is most dangerous when it's bleeding.


What you said is very true. And we Mormons are very aware of it. We're more or less expecting that, the farther Romney gets, the more it will become somewhat of a referendum on the Church itself. There will be the same kind of false claims that were made about Kennedy being controlled by the Pope because he was Catholic. And like you said, for all their pretended sensitivity, liberals are not above playing this card. In fact, in recent polls, it was found that the secular liberals on the far left dislike Mormons even more than the evangelical conservatives on the far right. And that's saying something.

As far as Romney himself goes, even though he's LDS, that doesn't mean I'm automatically in the bag for him. On one hand, the guy is very smart, knows business, and is a natural leader. And while I'm not convinced anyone will beat Obama, I think Romney has the best chance to do so out of the remaining GOP candidates. On the other hand, his flip-flopping bugs us Mormons more than anyone. Changing ones beliefs is understandable, if it's genuine, but he held positions late in life on some things that just don't jive with his supposed beliefs. Furthermore, while it may be him pandering to the right in the primaries, he seems to be leaning too far toward the unchecked capitalism types for my taste.


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As far as Romney himself goes, even though he's LDS, that doesn't mean I'm automatically in the bag for him. On one hand, the guy is very smart, knows business, and is a natural leader. And while I'm not convinced anyone will beat Obama, I think Romney has the best chance to do so out of the remaining GOP candidates. On the other hand, his flip-flopping bugs us Mormons more than anyone. Changing ones beliefs is understandable, if it's genuine, but he held positions late in life on some things that just don't jive with his supposed beliefs. Furthermore, while it may be him pandering to the right in the primaries, he seems to be leaning too far toward the unchecked capitalism types for my taste.


I...obviously don't like Mittens. I know, shocking revelation. But if he was elected, it would be a watershed moment in American history. For an often disrespected American cultural entity, it would be their moment of unparallel political legitimacy much like JFK was for the Catholics. Or to use another example from across the ocean in a different office all together, for the Poles when Pope John Paul II was crowned with his funny God hat.

Four years ago, I remember Mittens trying to break bread with the Evangelicals like JFK had to do with the Southern Baptist Democrats. They nodded, smiled, spit in his face, and politely told Mittens to go fuck off. So now at the last debate, Mittens had to dodge that loaded Mormon question, acting it like a liability. Which for that insane party base, it unfortunately is. (Why else is Newt their apparent morality champion?)

I wonder, what if he had forcefully approached that question as he had with Newt and his Bernie Mac investments? Cynically I would say nothing would've changed, in fact their might've been a backlash again him and rile up that same base even more.

EDIT - In my meltdown a week or two ago, I inadvertedly thought of something: Notice how his own party base don't seem to really respect Mittens. I remember Anne Coulter's argument that let's get him elected, then beat up on him.

Would the Neocons/Teabaggers all kneecap him like what the liberals did to Jimmy Carter, or first half of Bill Clinton's first term? Or even the GOP with the second half of George Bush'sterm?

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #632068
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Sarah Palin goes to war!

From her Facebook page:

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Now, I respect Governor Romney and his success. But there are serious concerns about his record and whether as a politician he consistently applied conservative principles and how this impacts the agenda moving forward. The questions need answers now. That is why this primary should not be rushed to an end. We need to vet this.

Pundits in the Beltway are gleefully proclaiming that this primary race is over after Florida, despite 46 states still not having chimed in. Well, perhaps it’s possible that it will come to a speedy end in just four days; but with these questions left unanswered, it will not have come to a satisfactory conclusion. Without this necessary vetting process, the unanswered question of Governor Romney’s conservative bona fides and the unanswered and false attacks on Newt Gingrich will hang in the air to demoralize many in the electorate. The Tea Party grassroots will certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted with the perceived orchestrated outcome from self-proclaimed movers and shakers trying to sew this all up.


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This whole thing isn’t really about Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney. It is about the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on. In fact, the establishment has been just as dismissive of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum.

Newt is an imperfect vessel for Tea Party support, but in South Carolina the Tea Party chose to get behind him instead of the old guard’s choice. In response, the GOP establishment voices denounced South Carolinian voters with the same vitriol we usually see from the left when they spew hatred at everyday Americans “bitterly clinging” to their faith and their Second Amendment rights. The Tea Party was once again told to sit down and shut up and listen to the “wisdom” of their betters. We were reminded of the litany of Tea Party endorsed candidates in 2010 who didn’t win. Well, here’s a little newsflash to the establishment: without the Tea Party there would have been no historic 2010 victory at all.


I like those code words: "We need to vet this."

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150516734848435

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #632069
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Let's keep in mind that the Republican nomination goes to the candidate with the most delegates at the convention. That'sa long way off and the race could remain competitive for months yet.


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Although no guarantee who gets the nomination, Super Tuesday is only a few weeks away- March 6th.

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You strap your dog on the roof of your car one time, outraged dogowners get pissed and form a "Super Pack" against you.



http://www.dogsagainstromney.com/

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Ha ha, I only wish dogs could vote. Mitts way ahead Florida polls.

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For what it's worth.

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A new Pew Research poll finds Republicans remain unimpressed with their party's presidential field. In fact, more Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the GOP field is only fair or poor (52%) than did so in early January (44%).

By comparison, just 46% of Republican voters have positive opinions of the GOP field. At about this point four years ago, 68% of Republican and GOP-leaning voters rated the field as excellent or good.


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/30/gop_voters_even_more_unimpressed_with_candidates.html

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #632477
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Apparently Newt will abandon a few primaries including Michigan's. He may be relying on Super Tuesday.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently Newt will abandon a few primaries including Michigan's. He may be relying on Super Tuesday.


That's odd, since last I checked he was actually competitive for MI.

And yes, I'll post what the New York Post reported earlier and which Newt is running with hard at the last moment. It's a good embarrasing (if obviously misleading) smear against Mittens.

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Mitt Romney is getting heat for a 2003 veto he cast as governor of Massachusetts to reject $600,000 in additional funds for poor Jewish nursing-home residents to get kosher meals.

At the time, Romney said he nixed the funding of about $5 per day because it “unnecessarily” would lead to an “increased rate for nursing facilities” — even as kosher nursing homes were complaining that state-funding-formula changes could force them to close their kitchens.

“I was outraged,” Jeffrey Goldshine, the retired CEO of a company that operated a kosher facility in Massachusetts, told The Post yesterday….
Romney’s spokesman defended his opposition, saying the state was in crisis and the kosher funding veto was needed to head off higher reimbursement rates for Medicaid.


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“He eliminated serving kosher food for elderly Jewish residents under Medicare,” Gingrich said. “I did not know this, it just came out yesterday. The more we dig in, I understand why George Soros in Europe yesterday said it makes no difference if it’s Romney or Obama, we can live with either one.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ro...O#ixzz1kxLbaTwb

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Gingrich campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond told CNN Monday that Michigan and Nevada – two states that Romney won during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign – will be difficult political terrain for the former House speaker come February.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Gingrich campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond told CNN Monday that Michigan and Nevada – two states that Romney won during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign – will be difficult political terrain for the former House speaker come February.



Obviously, I was wrong.

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Newt is a real piece of work.

I hear the Republicans in D.C. are ordering hard liqur and the Dems are ordering champagne.


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Dan Burton, longtime Republican representative from Ill. won't seek reelection.


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Rule of thumb: Unless apparently you're name is "Barack" and you cover Al Green, politicians should NEVER EVER tried to sing in public. It's a no-win situation. (Breaking News: They sing as well as the rest of us.)


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Mittens is sounding pretty confident isn't he? Maybe he's in a singing competition with the President. wink

All cable news is alive with the FL election. From all indications it would be a shock if Romney didn't win. They claim double digits. I hear though Ol' Newt is in it til the end.

I'd hate to live in FLA right now. Can you imagine the cut-throat ads? I'm talking 24/7. panic

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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Newt is a real piece of work.

I hear the Republicans in D.C. are ordering hard liqur and the Dems are ordering champagne.



He's a real piece of something that's for sure. lol


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Worth noting, for your consideration:

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The county map shows two states: the northern - i.e. Southern part of Florida - and the rest. Gingrich is winning the South. In many counties up there, he is winning 2 -1.


Having watched part of Mittens' victory speech, Bill Maher (of all flipping people) was absolutely right: The GOP are campaigning against not Obama the President, but Obama of their Imagination.

His election caused the recession? The economy is getting worse, no positive reversal*? Quite frankly, that's two assertations easily disproved. And I doubt Mr. Bin Laden's corpse, if it could be asked if not inside some Indian Ocean fish intestines, would call the President an appeaser.

*=Especially weird since the other day, which I noted here in this thread, he admitted the economy was getting better. Huh?

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According to the exit polls in FL a large percentage of people voted for the primary reason of "electability"..someone who will beat President Obama.

I see Santorum is giving his speech calling for an end to all the in-fighting/attacks. Of course, he'll never win so he can call for peace. smile

I'd imagine Florida will be relieved to NOT have negative campaign ads. Let's face it though, everyone complains and says they don't like all the negative ads BUT evidently they work.

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TIS, I remember a number came out today: 92% of all the GOP primary ads were negative.

You know call me living in the moment blinded, but even Obama/Hillary wasn't this nasty. Oh sure Hillary race baited with that infamous 3 AM commercial (or unintentionally, whether the POV) but quite honestly, I truely believe Newt and Mittens absolutely hated each other.

Which means one thing: President Mittens is going to audit Newt's ass to oblivion and beyond.

EDIT - TPM brought up that Obama actually fired one of his surrogates back in '08 for calling Hillary a "monster." How hilariously taint in retrospect.

EDIT 2 - Interestingly, PPP polls earlier today before the FL results had Newt/Mittens/Santorum in a real 3-way race in Missouri and Ohio. Will that change once the Florida storyline sinks in? Maybe, probably actually. But worth noting again.

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Now that's a cheap shot.

Tweeted from the White House last night:

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How loving owners transport their dogs.



(For context for those that don't get it, Romney got heat for allegedly years back strapping his dog on top of his car during a roadtrip.)

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Losing Florida by such a landslide doesn't bode well for Newt at all. Because Florida, insane asylum that it can be, is more like the rest of the country than any of the other three early states (South Carolina, Maine and Iowa).

North Florida is the Deep South. Southwest Florida is like the Midwest. Southeast Florida is where New York City meets Latin America. And it all blends together along the I-4 Corridor from Tampa Bay through Mid-Florida.

Newt's toast. I know he's going to stick aound out of spite, but if the melting pot of the State of Florida is any indication (and I believe it is), it's all over but the shouting.


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I just watched a focus group on Fox. One woman stated that Newt was the anti-candidate and that he's a grumpy old man.


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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Now that's a cheap shot.

Tweeted from the White House last night:

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How loving owners transport their dogs.



(For context for those that don't get it, Romney got heat for allegedly years back strapping his dog on top of his car during a roadtrip.)


a cheap shot yes...but, who the fuck straps a dog on top of a roof?! i hope obama likes his next four years of dealing with the gop hissing fit over losing the election.

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