Ive been reading up on the Bath avenue crew and these guys really deserve a movie to be made about them.They were a Bonano farm team

Chris paciello-Leaves NY goes to miami becomes king of nightclub then becomes a snitch

Joe Calco-Main hitman for bac then becomes a snitch and then fucks it all up by beating someone over a calzone.This guy also killed a 19yr old who had nothing to do with lcn

Paul Gulino-The group's leader was Paul Gulino, a Tommy Karate protege desperate to become a made man. When that didn't happen fast enough, Gulino announced plans to kill Anthony Spero.

Thomas Reynolds-Non italian was only 2 of 8 that didnt snitch.He is doing life 9If i was him i would of snitched all his friends betrayed eachother.So he is basicly doing life for Anthony spero, aguy he probably never met

the bonnanos have alot of farm teams giannini crew,Bath avenu new springfield boys.What feeder teams do the Genovese and gambionos have

yeah that bath ave crew made tons of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ive read some old stuff on spero and that crew he was pulling in millions easily every yr

I've read that spero put on a fireworks show every year that put gottis to shame.spero was def big time.

there are still a lot of 'gangs' but i wouldnt really call these guys a 'farm team' just a bunch of guys on the record with tony through tommy and they answered to p.g.

I've always wondered where these families recruit from. Especially for the genovese family leaders who are so old they saw the first Christmas

Who is/was p.g.?

Think he meant T.G. Fat Tom Geoli! I think! Not sure, that is Gamms area! Medigan(joking Gamms) Italians live in that neighborhood

hairy,paul gulino. same guy as above.a lot of made guys will have a guy like paul,a 'mouth peice'.so to speak.

What was that kids name? He always had food all over his shirt. They had a Pigeon night at the old Friendly Boys Club, i thought the kid was going tomeatnthe Pigeon feed next.

'brass'! dont ask me why!lol.

Moran? Or Morin? Some Mick type last name. Dirty glasses! Just a slob

you mean danny?i was talking about paulie. cant be too sure bath avenue is about twenty blocks away from where i m from.

Not sure of first name, just remeber it was Galione's right hand man. Galione's father took a few to the head if i remeber correctly?

if im thinking of the right guy yeah i think your right. of all those kids,tommy reynolds was the toughest!real street fighter,good with his hands.

Are you talking about ronald "messy marv" moran? Chubby sloppy kid with glasses?

Thats him, chubby is being nice, kid was a fat slob, dirty glasses! Food all over his shirt

mob over miami writes about all of them...real sloppy new generation shit

also dritas ex Lee was a new springfield boy and was around all these guys as well

he gets out soon

Ive heard of Lee,but who all was a part of the New Springfield Boys? What about the Port Richmond Crew? Those were a bunch of Lucchese guys in that not to long ago.

isnt new springville crew usually recruited by bonnanos and colombos? port richmond i dunno....

Besides D'Avanzo and Paciello, there was also Gerard Bellafiore, Danny Costanza, Francis Costanzo, Robert Catanese, Neat Bilali, William Fauci, Edward Shamah, Randy Gordon, and Joe Gambino. Most of these guys were involved in the 2001 bust.

The guys that were busted with D'Avanzo in 2008 included Joseph Cotarelo, Mislim Ruci, and Bekim Fiseku.

he was the guy who blinded greg scarpa

Thanks Ivyleague. I thought Paciello was a Bath Beach guy? Was he in both or what?

He was affiliated with both at one time or another.

Joey calco got picked up in my neighborhood about 4 or 5 years ago. He ran a pizza joint called goombas pizzeria. I never ate there before but I knew of it. He was in palm coast where I am now. He got in trouble for beating some guy up in his shop. Pistol whipped him and everything. His cover was blown. There's a videotape of it. I think a day or two after the incident some guys with Jersey license plates came to goombas looking for him. His witness protection name was joey Milano.

This guys were pushing crack all over south brooklyn, they acted like moolie drug dealers.

were these the guys that were running the crack ring in bensonhurst during the mid 90s.

National geographic channel is airing a special next Sunday at 9 about tommy Reynolds/Paulie gulino and the bath ave crew.. They were truly psychotic and there should def be a movie about them.. Check it out cause its def one of the first documentaries just about them

Im glad natgeo is doing this im sick of Donnie brasco and john gotti this will be awesome finally that crazy young 90s generation

Yes..Jimmy "Froggy" Galione crew. They were moving alot of crack & some powder coke. Lot of kids working beepers and working with schedules for who worked where.

Agreed. Finally a fresh story and not the same old Gotti/Castellano hit all the same shit they keep retelling

I'm with you on being sick of all the gotti/donnie brasco stuff but I'm really disappointed that they had zero on the demeo crew.. That story needs to b told and will never get old!!! That crew made John gotti look like an altar boy!!

Lee D'Avanzo has been out for a while. On one of the most recent "Mob Wives" he was in a halfway house and as I recall working for a funeral home

I've watched two of those new mob docs on nat geo, would have liked them to have got into the gal ante / gambino war during that time also there was alot of drug related killings could have delved a bit more into things also is it just me or does anyone else think selwyn raab sounds a little over dramatic in the way he speaks.

I agree he emphasizes unnecessary things

its like hes still amazed by everything. Im looking forward to the bath ave episode not really been covered before. Im also not a big fan of the reenactments they use in these shows always seem kind of douchey.

Hey everyone, I'm new here and I'm looking forward to talking with everyone. But I have not seen the special yet from last night's Inside The American Mob on the Bath Ave Crew. What did everyone think? And are there any pictures floating around of these guys together?

Here's something on demeo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwXDxusN-sQ

It was good but they also should of said what happened to the rest of the bac they should of mentioned the calco pizza incident

I thought it was the best episode in the new NatGeo series yet.

The BOP site says Lee D'Avanzo is released which means he's not at a halfway house any longer. He's probably on probation with restrictions though, but i'm not positive on that. But he is back on the street again, i guess possibly with his wife Drita.

That joey calco is the biggest piece of shit he killed his friends than ratted on them.And when callandra called reynelds he started crying he must of regretted it.And none of them became made guys so it was all for nothing

Fabrizio got made
Too bad he's doing a 30 year bit

Agree with some of the above posters, while Gotti and Brasco are interesting, would like to see more about DeMeo and crew

I've seen all of the NatGeo specials on the mob and also agree that the Brasco/Gotti stuff has been way over played. It's time to give that a rest and move on. I found that some of the new stuff that Michael Franzese shared was pretty good. I like the story he told about Fat Tony Salerno. Salerno wanted Franzese to set up a gas station for him to get in on the multi-million dollar gas scam. Franzese told Fat Tony no problem - give him 3 guys and Franzese will pay them each $1,500 a week to run the station for him. Salerno told Franzese that he will pay those guys $500 each and give the remaining $1,000 each directly to Fat Tony. Franzese grinned and said something to the effect of that's how it was dealing with Fat Tony. Back on subject... I did enjoy the segment on The Bath Avenue Crew. I never heard or saw these guys featured this much in depth. Lots of lessons to be learned from those guy's experiences.

I agree. The gotti/brasco stuff has been told to death. I thought the bath avenue crew/massino reign in the 90's was very fresh. Most people forget that the mob was still very active in the 90's.

I saw that series as well and I agree a lot of the stuff has been played out. I notice Paciello didn't want any limelight he was contacted for that show but declined.

Do you personally know this guy you speak so negative about? Seems to me you must know him and hung around him to have such knowledge of his appearance and habits.

I think it's funny cause Paciello ratted and is living the high life down there in Miami. Right out in the open and not a damn person did anything about it. But then again this isn't the old mob it's the new.

Eastharlemital didn't your mother ever teach you manners? Don't you know you should choose your words before speaking on something or someone you clearly know nothing about? It's clear to me that you are some desk jockey who plays tuff guy on the weekends! Watch your mouth boo boo. Acting like you meet or know people from bath ave, get the fuck outta here ya retard! Stop reading old news paper clippings your making a fool of yourself.

Did these guys hang out at the 19 hole?

They were a bunch of JV or better yet IV drug addicts with half ass connections that thought they tough because they'd carry a illegal guns everywhere in NY despite the tough laws. Then the cowards all choked up one way or another

That was not the question. The question was did the hang out at the 19 hole?

When I first moved to Brooklyn a friend came to Brooklyn to visit me. I had just met some one who lived in Brooklyn. We were near the 19 hole and went in for a drink. A lot of girls in the place one of them went over to my new Brooklyn friend. Then 2 others approached us. I could see right away they were trying to get their boy friends jealous.

Three guys started to threathen us. I just moved here, and did not want any problems here. So we Leave and my friend from home goes to his car, and pulls out a shot gun. He wants to kill them all.

I told him fuck that lets go some where else.

If you knew the story you'd know that during a robbery they killed an innocent lady because one of them shit their pants. Seemed sloppy to me.

I'm not throwing bouquets at anyone but you speak of people as if you knew them. Guys are reading shit from papers or 502's, DD5's and making as if they seen these guys on the street. The whole Judith Shemtov incident was a circus act. There was no organization there it was 2 junkies trying to score money to get high. This seems to be a popular site speaking on OC stuff 1st rule is don't write checks you can't cash. And don't talk about people or matters that you know nothing about. PS my post was directed to eastharlemital because I know the guy he is referring to he clearly never met and should refer to rule 1& 2

The 19th hole was closed in the 80's and in it's hey day most guys there were no nonsense type of fellas, gas pipe stronghold. Most of the BAC were running shit in the 90's and at that time on that corner was mostly 13th ave guys hanging out in the wok. I'm thinking that you and your friends were extremely lucky you decided to move on. And I'm pretty sure no one seen your friend pull out a shotgun because I'm sure thing would have turned out a lot different. Imo

Cool story. Hmmm. Where do I start

You must have been talking to me since you quoted my post.
Eastharlemit hasn't posted in a year or so
I never criticized any individual whatsoever. I made a generalization about a new group of wiseguys. No one in particular. Find one post of mine in this thread where I've written what you are accusing me of. Just one!

So take that garbage to St. Elsewhere
Cause guess what. I'm not from Nowheresville, In or Australia so that tough talk won't work with me. Good try tho. A for effort.

Maybe you were so eager to talk that you missed the part where I specifically addressed (eastharlemital). It's ok that's expected its the first sign your ruffling someone's feathers, you know when they start getting all figgity and ramble on about shit that has nothing to do with them. In all honesty I don't wanna go back and forth with you I just don't like people making shit up. If you wanna chat in a forum such as this and speak about things that's fine but don't be like certain people (eastharlemital) and act as if you knew these people or met these people in the street.

Feathers are definitely ruffled. You're right. I just got done playing blocks with my son. Couldn't even concentrate. Knocked the castle down after we built it.

U don't like ppl making stuff up. Cool, me either. Where did I make anything up?

Again I don't wanna beat dead horse. Your are refer to a question I ask a few months ago about a comment or post you made. That was asked and answered. As I told you multiple xxx my comments about people lying and making shit up are and were meant to be directed to EastHarlemItal if you choose to keep taking this personally towards yourself I don't know what to tell you it was directed to EASTHARLEMITAL!!!!!! I don't mean to be an ass but it is kinda funny that you knocked the blocks over :-) hope this clears it up cheech

@Marbala: Passing no judgement here mate, Ive only skimmed yours and Cheech's discourse lightly but as you're a new poster just a heads that Cheech is a considered a knowledgeable and very level headed poster on the boards and most posters, myself included treat his words with respect.

Again, not passing judgement. But Cheech does generally know what he's on about.

And welcome to the boards mate.

Seconded. And thirded, for that matter.

Cheech is a total gentleman. He might not be from New York City, but he ain't from Wisconsin, either .

As far as EastHarlemItal, the kid is ancient history. Everyone should just let it go .

Seriously all this over messy moran???How the fuck did this guy get even get brought into the conversation he was with gallione andd derosa.

I got to give it to the early 90s genaration though i dont think a new generation will ever be as crazy as these guys.The giannini crew with vito guzzo as there leader.You had the bac causing all this mayhem then the tanglewood boys John pappa starts whacking his friends and derosa and marvin getting in a shootout with greg scarpa then paciello becomes the king of miami

From what I've read this Marbela was upset because someone called his friend "a slob", however with the name Messy Moran it's a no brainer. And I've seen the Nat Geo Documentry. The kid did look like a slob with messy glasses. Either way that sets you off?

Exactly. And that's just where EastHarlemItal got it from. It's best to just laugh it off.

My dear friends, critics whatever you are I'm just speaking on fact read between the lines hear. As for the name "Messy" it has nothing to do with hygiene or dress code the name messy Marvin started from a childhood commercial because the kid had glasses and blonde hair that's it. The name marbala started as a joke mikes mother spoke very broken English and couldnt pronounce Marvin, every time she said Marvin it sounded like marbala. Only after the arrest came down in oct 96 did these comical names come about. Nobody called mike flattop or messy Marvin or Jimmy frogs they would have been killed or beaten viciously. And I understand you only know of what you read and don't actually know any of these guys. However understand that your speaking of guys on here that if the arrest in the 90's didn't take place many of these guys would have been captains and better and none of these fake guys today that are being idolized would be where they are, guys like boobsie would still be running errands and washing cars. So excuse me if I take offense to people talking shit that if I were face to face with them they'd be staining their draws. Now please let's put this behind us and move on I really don't mean to ruffle any feathers I'm nearly trying to clear some things up. I know a lot of the names on here have been around awhile posting and I respect that and mean no disrespect I lived a large part of my live around that. Just go easy on that messy shit ;-)

Wasn't the tangelwood boys started by Santorelli his nick name was Butchie as a kid a east Harlem boy no? If he is still around he would be 68 now give or take.

If he s the same guy he almost killed my brother while we were still in Harlem. His gun jammed. My brother turns around he sees it my brother and not the guy he wanted to clip. Oops mistakes happen.

When he was in his forties he visited me at my house with his daughter. I had a daughter around the same age. They were watching tv on Easter Sunday. In those days there was a show from a south American country showing the crucifiction of Christ. They actually did the stations of the cross for real with a volunteer. It was a big honor to be picked for it. Some of these volunteers did not survive the ordeal.

So we both start to watch it. Then he see's the guy playing Christ getting nailed to the cross. Under his breath one of the girls hear him say "I wish that was me"

She says you want to be nailed to a cross? He answered no I want to be the guy nailing him to the cross.

True story as I remember it.

Can't speak much on Harlem or the Bronx mostly bklyn SI and little bit of queens. Seems like your was a lucky man thank god it wasn't a revolver.

marbala you wrong about these guys being captains these guys eventually would of been caught and the same result would of happend they would of snitched

Cool episode on these guys , is inside the mob coming back for season 2? I came across it last year accident on primewire

I never really thought I was a lucky person. I just like to think a head and besides that a complete paranoid. So if I thought something might happen. Then it was going to happen so better to deal with it before the pressure arrives. I played American football with the Hun 8 street guys. My like to hurt people side of my personality loved that game. They knew I could play so everyone wanted me on their teams Butchie Santorelli played with them.

Including the Hun 16 street guys coached by Johnny Delightfuls brother Ponzo the team played out of the Bronx in the BUA league team name was the black knights. The Bronx led me to going to HS there.

I made friends ? Every where I went. My godfather lived their own garages and made porn there. I was a cousin of his wife. Funny he had a younger cousin also from Harlem Peter.

Watch the movie GoodfeLlas he had a walk on in that movie he played Pete the killer. He was an insurance man in real life

So Bath Ave Crew played football in Harlem with you? I'm confused they were into porn in the Bronx also? Did they just make the porn in the Bronx or on Bath Ave? Or just sell it? Was it incest type stuff since you mentioned all the inter marriage? I'm confused I guess, getting old.

Tiger many of these guys have done plenty of time before they snitched and others were born to snitch many guys in the street knew some guys would snitch when they got pinched but the fact is what many people on here don't understand is many of these so called tough guys on the street today are snitches who worked out deals and lucky enough for them never had to have there cover blown. 90% of the guys on the street are pussies 5% ain't ever getting out of jail and the rest know enough to pick and choose there targets. But back to the snitching there's more guys that snitched that I would trust with my life then the so called gangsters on the streets today. This is a topic we could dispute for years, some guys snitched because they never had any intentions on doing time and never cared about there friends. And some guys snitched because they realized that there's no difference anymore. What's worse shooting you best friend in the head while he gets you a drink and leaving him there for his parents to find, or snitching him out? What's worse, where's the line? That's what that lifestyle is about that's how you succeed. There's plenty of stand up guys on the street that know exactly where the guys who flipped are today and they do nothing, why is that because lambs don't hunt lions simple as that

My only interactions in Harlem was a work release jail on 163rd & Amsterdam ave. I stay there in the 90's after doing a skid bid up north. Met some good guys there.

Not nit picking, however you come of as a "truth seeker", 163rd and Amsterdam isn't Harlem, it's Washington Heights. What did you go away for? Vigilante type stuff I presume!

Marbala are you really Ronald Moran??


This is the Real Messy Marvin:

No, he didn't "start" those kids up there. But his son was always around them, and when they were younger they were always running to Tony for help. And today his son is a wiseguy himself. Old school. Stand-up. A real gentleman. Unless you piss him off .


We know. You told us the exact same story when you were here as Richie Animal.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post692548

True. But in all fairness to Marbala (and he's new here, so I don't even know him), a lot of people from the outer boroughs and the suburbs think the Heights are in Harlem. Especially around Saint Nick and that area. If you look around, the building structures are similar, the populace is similar, etc. If you take a wrong turn and you're not familiar with the area, it's a fairly easy mistake to make .

So Bath Ave Crew played football in Harlem with you? I'm confused they were into porn in the Bronx also? Did they just make the porn in the Bronx or on Bath Ave? Or just sell it? Was it incest type stuff since you mentioned all the inter marriage? I'm confused I guess, getting old."

You have it all wrong. Someone mention the tangelwood boys on the thread. Butchie started them. He was the Harlem guy I played football with the 108 street guys.

My Godfather Nunzi lived in the Bronx and had the porno opporation. Made porn for the Bronx and for Harlem, and probably other places that I don't know about. Only women my brother! Pete and I loved going to their house during the summer. They had a big corner house a lot different from the tenements we came from. He let us try out his girls

The only american football I played in Brooklyn was for a short time an adult team. My furniture movers played on it.

Played a lot of soccer in Brooklyn. Gjoa, Italian federation, and Brooklyn Italians

I get how they can easily blend, however and I'm sure the same goes for you "in my day" we knew our turf boundaries. Cross that wrong street and kaput

Just Marv would be fine

Also the reason I say Harlem is because unless your from NY chances are people won't know what your talking about if you say wash hgts. And I went away for Criminal poss of a weapon. Actually got house arrest for the pistol but violated my probation. Judge in staten island gave me 1-1/3 to 4 up north. That's how I ended up at the work release facility

You're very lucky. Today the pistol alone could easily get you 18 to 30 months. And if the original sentencing Judge is in a bad mood, the violation can end up being served on top of the gun charge. New York City is no place to get caught with an illegal handgun in 2014 .

The city is a lot worse then the outta boroughs. And my lawyer used to laugh, he would say I should go out on his Bertram with him since I paid for the motors lol

PS but lucky is something I never was I was either in jail or on probation or parole since I was 15. Every couple of years I'd get a quick break but that wouldn't last long.

You should run for office, these days you'd fit right in.

That's the real mob right there. Me and politics don't mix

I stopped carrying just to carry when I was a kid. Kids have a tendency to use what they carry. Had a few incidents like that as a kid. It was stupid, but I do carry a knife just in case.

Once I am going to watch my grand daughter when she was a baby. My car would not start so I took the bus. I did have it on me for some reason. I am walking and these two teenagers are walking their pitbull. I see it so I move to the side. They pass and I can see them laughing probably at me for giving them a lot of room. Then I start laughing because if I even thought I was in danger their would be a dead dog and two dead teens.

Pizza I think I knew that guy Richie animal as a kid. He was one of the few people I really actually liked. He told me a story he met some guy that we both knew. He did a lot of things including sell heroin. He tells richie take a walk with him. So they walked up the aves. Some black guys were their he was their heroin supplier.

He goes up to the group about 6 guys. He tells Richie watch this and he just starts to beat the shit out of one of them. The other guys in their group did nothing. Then richie figured it out they need his supply so he could have killed him and just walked away. That incident made a big impression on that guy Richie.

Every one is making a big deal out of the stop and frisk thing that the cops like to do in the black neighborhoods.

I am not black and as a kid cops were always doing to us. It was another reason not to carry.

Now are new mayor Deblasio did away with that. I bet you any amount of money the murder rate will go up here.

Deblasio I heard was an anarkist in some foreign country. His wife might not even be his wife. Some said she told someone she was a lesbian. Fucking people here voted for that goof ball.

I think it's time to up your meds, Foot.

The Heights have a lot of Dominicans. A lot of drugs get dealt there as well. My friends would go there often to get shit. Some gorgeous girls

Nah... I like hearing Twilight Zone music playing.

Yeah, because that's all a secret .

Was Richie one of the porn stars?

On Dominicans and drugs. They thought if they can last for 5 yrs here dealing. They could go back to the Dominican republic and live like kings.

Touché.


Edit. I get it now. The shhh thing. Was supposed to be a wink hahahahahah
Thought u meant it was common knowledge which it is to ppl from the tristate

Nothing gets by PB

Those smileys are a bitch, huh?

But all kidding aside, give the Dominicans credit for holding on to the ONLY ethnic neighborhood remaining in Manhattan.

And believe it or not, you'll find Dominican buildings as far south as 86th and Amsterdam. Not a lot of them, mind you. But they're there. Which is remarkable considering that the Upper West Side is just about the Yuppiest neighborhood you'll ever see today.

Hey pizza did Richie ever mention the story when he punched the front man of the Kinks in the face Ray Davies because he grabed his cousins Rosie's ass at the clay cole show? fun to be young

Actually there is two things I remember about uptown 1 in Harlem I went to meet a friend of mine at a feast on 111th st he was running a stand I loved that kid he also became a victim of his best friends. The only time was we went to 140th wash hghts to meet up with some Dominicans when there was a draught in the neighborhood. Just once it was some real shady shit up there I thought we were gonna have to tornado up in that piece. 20 different dealers on every block and 2-3 cops a block idk how those fellas last up there all dominicans

The 40,000 DR flags didn't give it away that thier all Dominicans? A Rod and Manny Ramirez both played little league on 193rd and Amsterdam.

I watched a documentary about these guys and honestly I didn't expect much from these young wannabe wiseguys but I was actually surprised!

Paul Gulino pushing Tony Spero in the heat of the argument and then getting whacked over it, by his two best friends, the only ones he'd let inside his house... the whole thing is still etched in my mind. Anthony Spero was one old-school mafioso that's for sure... probably lost his patience with these young thugs that want to get made in less than a year.