PB - I apologize for going off on ya like that. I tried to read what I wrote, but came off as too much in the heat of the moment, mindless partisan fury. I'm sure I have a decent argument in there somewhere, just needs some trimming and bacon.
No biggie, Ronnie. You're still like the hillbilly nephew I never really asked for, but ended up with anway .
And politically speaking, at the end of the day, we're on the same team .
Originally Posted By: olivant
As a Democrat, I won't be voting for any Republican candidate. However, I am amused at the criticisms leveled at Romney
That's EXACTLY how I feel!!
It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.
Okay. Let's remember the criticism that he has received from Republicans for acting as a capitalist. We want to remember those criticisms because, during the election, Republicans will direct the same criticisms at Obama.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
It's almost like I feel sorry for the guy because of the insanity of the opposition within his own party. Because you know . . . you just know . . . that's the same rhetoric they'll throw at Obama come summer.
Okay. Let's remember the criticism that he has received from Republicans for acting as a capitalist. We want to remember those criticisms because, during the election, Republicans will direct the same criticisms at Obama.
Agreed.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Am I the only one who feels bad for Santorum? Twerp mouse as he is, he apparently won Iowa after all and yet with excuses excuses, that state GOP has pretty much thrown that out and offically called it a Draw. (Cynical analysis: sweeping that potential embarrasment to the possible front-runner, and just walk away.)
The height of Ricky's political career, poof! A day late, dollar short.
So, if it comes down to Mitt and Newt after Saturday, the campaign is going to get dirtier and dirtier. Mitt will probably win because Newt runs his mouth more than Biden, and has skeletons in his closet on top of that. People don't trust him. But, if Mitt thinks that the two-thirds to three-quarters of Republicans who didn't vote for him so far or don't show for him in the polls, will rally round him in the general election, he should think again. Real hard-core conservatives hate him. I'd bet Bachmann or another will run a third party campaign. If that happens, Obama won't have to leave the White House to be re-elected. He's the most vulnerable incumbent since Carter, but unlike Carter, he has no strong opposition candidate.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Personally I liked Paul's* joke about why he won't release his taxes because he's embarrased about his low earnings. Funny.
Unfortunately, the tax thing has become a pointless albatross for Mittens, or more like a target sign, and he's not helping himself method acting like a fish on land with his comebacks to that issue and Bain.
Apparently Newt tonight released his '10 tax returns: $3.1 million, 31.6% tax rate.
Rich, not as rich as Mitt obviously, and I would be an asshole and snyde that most of Newt's money came from Freddie Mac for his work as a history teacher. But that won't be mentioned if that is brought up in the media: Just the tax rate differential.
If I was a Mitt supporter, I would also be worried about what Mittens said about Romneycare tonight that could haunt him later. As someone in the comments on a blog tracking the debate writes:
Quote:
Am I nuts, or did Romney provide a perfect defense of Obamacare? It’s popular in Massachusetts, it hasn’t increased their costs and it’s given more people coverage? And he wants to repeal the same bill that would do that at the national level?
Like Turnbull, I still think Mittens is the nominee. But I won't be shocked at all if Newt wins on saturday. If he does and Mitt wins the nomination regardless, he would be the first GOP national nominee in the modern primary era to fail to win South Carolina.
*=I also liked that he brought up the suicide rate in the military. Among other reasons, I wonder if this is one why he's got the most campaign donors from the Armed Forces?
After seeing the debate tonight, AND audience reactions, I tend to think too that Newt probably did the best as well. It seems the meaner tone he took, the more he was applauded.
Notice one of the questions (on abortion I believe), the mods skipped right over Ron Paul. The audience screamed to mods to ask Paul the same question. Too bad they have to be told, AND Paul is a Doctor, so I would think it'd be totally appropriate.
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.
I gagged myself, but that crowd sure ate it up like ice cream.
SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
[quote=Turnbull] not really, more like GW when he ran for re-election the dems and kerry def botched that campaign
Kerry did drop the ball.
But imagine, what if he had won?
If he had, and say he won two terms, '12 would be about his VP versus the GOP candidate.
So yeah, we coulda been contemplating voting for Vice-President John Edwards. How swell.
prob not his affairs might have come to light by that time and he would be swept up in the drama with his mistress to run for Prez, maybe Hillary or Barack would have ran then...
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
Re: Election 2012
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If it's any indication, Gingrich's explosion tonight at the first question is not something that most people will respond to positively.
I gagged myself, but that crowd sure ate it up like ice cream.
SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.
no offense to anybody from SC on the boards, but from what ive seen in the crwd reactions during the debate, stump speeches on tv with citizens I COMPLETELY agree with you those conservatives down there are definitely wackos thats for sure.
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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
SC's delegates to the Constitutional Convention were the most vociferous in their defense of slavery. SC led the way during the Nullification Crisis in the 1830s. SC was the 1st state to secede from the Union. It was the 1st state to engage in hostilities that launched the Civil War. I don't expect much out of that state's citizens.
Dinnertime at the Republican National Convention:
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Wow! I just heard Neil Cavuto on his show excortiating Gingrich for jumping on John King for asking about his marriages and defending John King and the media for asking tough questions. How the worms turn.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
Wow! I just heard Neil Cavuto on his show excortiating Gingrich for jumping on John King for asking about his marriages and defending John King and the media for asking tough questions. How the worms turn.
And he's right.
Anyway, Sen. Scott Brown (R) from Massachusetts is now calling on Mittens to release his political albatross: his tax returns. So of course instead he responded by demanding Newt release his 1990s Ethics report. How has this nonsense become Mittens' Jeremiah Wright mess?
Although Mitt Romney's campaign is buzzing about new momentum in South Carolina, BuzzFeed finds that many of the students cheering on the candidate at a recent University of South Carolina rally were actually Brigham Young University students and young Mormons from Wasnhington, D.C. and Virginia "who traveled to the Palmetto State to give their coreligionist's presidential effort a much-needed jolt of energy."
RR, I heard the same thing this morning. I heard too, they were bused in specifically for the event. Don't know how accurate it is, but MSNBC also reported that these people were asked if they'd leave right away after Mitt's appearance because Newt was due at the same place shortly after and they didn't want Newt's appearance to look real crowded. All's fair in politics & war.
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
MSNBC is already calling the winner in S.C. Gingrich. It must be a large margin for them to call it this soon no? I thought it'd be really close
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I know Olivant wants to dismiss the S.C. voting bloc (I can totally relate to that sentiment), but here's the facts: A week ago, Romney wasn't just leading to win in S.C., he was up by double digits. An easy lay-up.
But somehow while dribbling to the rim, he tripped and Newt kicked him in the balls, took the ball and slam dunked it.
There's no other words but...I'm amazed.
(Exit polls also claim that Newt won the "electability" issue, and won among...married women. Wow.)
FUN FACT: This is the first time in GOP modern primary history that three different candidates have won Iowa, NH, and S.C.
If Mittens still ends up the nominee, he'll be the first GOP nominee to have failed to win S.C. Way to go Mittens!
I just got home a short time ago and am waiting to see the final tally. From what I understand Newt won by a way bigger margin that I would have guessed. Just last week it was all Mitt.
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I just got home a short time ago and am waiting to see the final tally. From what I understand Newt won by a way bigger margin that I would have guessed. Just last week it was all Mitt.
TIS
He did TIS. But don't forget that it's all about delegates and there are still 47 primaries and caucuses and Gingrich in not on the ballot in a couple of them.
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"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Just last week it was all Mitt.