Yo Bridgeport, take it down a notch! While we all appreciate your interest on the subject, you need to support some of your noticeably outrageous statements with some concrete evidence. From everything that I have read from Bill Roemer, who was an expert on the subject of the Outfit, he was certain that Accardo was pulling the strings for over 40 years, putting frontmen in the position/title of boss. Bill Roemer is Notre Dame educated and has been in the field for a long time. So, where do I get your "intel" from? Is it Bruno the shoe repair man in your neighborhood or is it Giacomo at the corner store?

I totally agree with this quote.
Bridge, do you bother reading other people´s posts or do you feel manically driven to write a bunch of crap just to provoke?
I have given you links to FBI documents that clearly shreds your arguments into pieces. What have you given me/us in addition to a lot baloney? Nothing!
When writing this in your first post:....

"Wow, okay I'm new to this site, but I have to say, the ignorance when it comes to the mighty Chicago Outfit is absolutely laughable. You people really haven't the slightest clue...It's quite astounding, really."

...there is no none here who is going to take you seriously.
Here are a lot of posters who are far more knowledgeable in OC then you are.
Was your first post intended to provoke? I beleive so. Then what do you expect from other posters around here?
I really don´t want to drag this into something that will last for years unless you can come up with something that backs your stetements. And I´m sorry, "people here in Chicago knows the truth" or "I´m in the know" or "my granpa told me" or wathever, just won´t cut it.

"Fame and glory"?

Weird.



LA is a larger city than Chicago, yet its mafia family is down to a handful of possibly retired guys.

That's true, the Gambinos were bigger in size than the Genoveses for many years.

That sounds reasonable, but it is generally believed that Ricca and Accardo were the ones who called the shots. Maybe Ricca was the top boss for some time, but Ricca and Accardo were said to be very close friends so it didn't really matter.

Really? Didn't know that. Do mean under D'Aquila? I think I recall reading that his family was the biggest circa 1924.

The Gambinos were certainly bigger in size than the Genoveses from the 1970s to 1990s. But some over at the real deal stated that the Gambinos always were the "biggest" family, which makes sense, considering that the books were closed for mass ceremonies from 1957 to 1975. So I always found it quite odd that the Gambinos suddenly became bigger than the Genoveses during Gambino's reign.

Ivyleague will agree with me on this, because he provided some of the information. And if he doesn't agree, IT WILL BE WAR.

BridgeportVet,

Mafia families today have to be looking over their shoulder now more than ever. On top of the fact that Valachi exposed how a family hierarchy is structured 50 years ago, it was a matter of time before the government gained enough knowledge and learned how to apply the RICO Act (Which was written by Notre Dame Law Professor Robert Blakely, an expert in the field of organized crime). The government is a machine with more money and power to slow down any type of organized crime activity. If the Feds set their sights on an individual or a group of individuals, they will find something. Plus, the baby boomer generation of mobsters for the most part can't do the time, so they turn state's evidence. With all the laws that are used to combat organized crime, political protection and corruption is much harder to achieve from an organized crime point of view. Do you think Carlo Gambino worried about RICO? Tony Accardo? Sam Giancana? RICO didn't exist when they were running the show. It wasn't until the 1986 Mafia Commission case in New York that RICO was applied and was a 100% success against the top mafia bosses. Even though Tony Accardo still had a large hand in the decisions of the Outfit back in 1986, he was really no longer a threat since he was wearing depends!!!

If you really want to credit some mafia bosses who were a success during the RICO era, let's credit Luigi "Baby Shacks" Manocchio from New England, who ran his family since 1995 until 2011 without any problems. Although he was indicted last year for shaking down strip clubs (LOL), it was all the government could get after 16 years of running a tight ship. You can also credit Joey "Big Joey" Massina (now a cooperating witness), as he ran the Bonanno Family for over 13 years without any major hiccups. When the government puts a microscope on a target and they still have a difficult time generating an indictment, I'd say that is pretty significant at this day in age.

For christ's sakes, your local mafia boss (John "No Nose" DiFronzo) drives around town in a pick up truck meeting his crew captains at local restaurants as the local news channel's investigative team is videotaping and taking photos of these meetings. I'd have to say that No Nose has taken one too many bong rips in his younger days to allow that to happen!

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=6705293

Joey Massino could ran the Bonannos his way because they were pretty much ignored by the feds. When the feds did put their sights on him, it was over before he knew it. I would rather credit the Chin for his remarkable act.

you got to credit ligambi for being an active boss of the philly mob for twelve years or so and only get a light rico indictment?

True, but it should be noted that at almost 73 years old, that "light RICO indictment" could mean that he dies in prison.

The average age for a mobster to die of "natural causes" is 98 so I think he will survive prison and continue to perform as boss.

on mob scene anastasia said he facing max ten and a half years as i remember

I have mixed feelings about Ligambi and this topic. He did hold down philly for 12 years and now does have as GA would qoute, "racketeering light case". But say he does get 10 years or even 8, he could die in prison. Now I look at it and say well he is playing with house money. He made some loot for his family and now is going back in prison after 15 years or so on the street. He got lucky when he got let out of jail...he would have died in prison. But he got out. But that leads me to my other feelings about Ligambi. You get out by the skin of your teeth and you have a comfortable life, why not enjoy your family in your golden years. I guess the life is to much to leave behind and maybe he thought he wouldn't get caught being that he kept things quiet and only a few guys were making serious money. idk.

yh its is golden years but what about all the old guys in new york? plus theirs that saying that you cant leave the life but this day and age thats bollocks. probably they prefer you to leave then staying with them for few years and then cooperate

I think most of these guys are "addicted" to the life.

Libambi like most people is/was greedy. It's just most peoples nature to want as much money as possible.

I understand I really do but when you are in jail and think your never going to get out I am sure you think if you had one more chance you would do something different...maybe not with some guys. How many guys do 10 years and then a murder conviction get overturned... Are there any other mobsters that were in a position like that? I know that guys may get back into the life but he jumped into the big seat having to know he will go down again.

i agree with you but i also think its a greed thing aswell. but anyhow i think he did sort out the philly mob out. btw whats a signature on here?

Seriously, why do cosa nostra guys live so damn long?

Well, they have the cash.

Then again, I think I read in King of the Godfathers that diabetes is common in the life. Were there any notable cases besides Castellano and Massino?

Over 60 percent of overweight people are either diabetic or pre-diabetic. A lot of mob guys seem to be overweight. I don't think there's any more to it than that.

Does anybody know if Sonny Ciancutti from Pittsburgh is still running a bookmaking operation. I couldn't imagine that after the slap on the wrist that he got from his conviction in 2000 that he would give up a $500,000 per week operation (for NFL) and a $250,000 per week (for NBA). Two of his main bookies was John "Johnny A" Adams and Ralph "Big Head" Masselli. Any accurate information is welcomed.

I dunno, but you have to realize that bookmaking numbers are ALWAYS inflated by the Feds when they make a gambling pinch.

Last I heard he was still at it, but that was about 5 years ago. I'm going to assume he's still doing it until I hear otherwise.

He's like 80 though.

That's just it. Unless you're personally involved in things there, in which case you likely wouldn't be posting on this board, you get most of your information from the same sources everyone else does. I mean, it's not like the Outfit is sending you weekly reports on what they're up to. It's not like you're staking out some mob hangout and documenting all their comings and goings. While it would have 15 or 20 years ago, you living in Chicago really doesn't give you much advantages in terms of insight at this point.



And yet here you are demanding that everyone accept your posts on the internet as absolute truth.



By that same logic, the LA family should still be going strong since LA is even bigger and there's so much money to be made there.

Ivan,

Have you heard or do you know if anybody has happened to run into Chucky Porter since his release from prison? I'm positive he has been in the Pittsburgh/Penn Hills area since being released. I wonder since he never testified in open court against anybody, if he and Mike Genovese spoke at all before the old man died. I spoke to Chucky Porter's son about 4 years ago in regards to interviewing his Dad for a book that my colleague was writing, but he declined the interview. When I spoke to Roger Greenbank from the FBI, he had told me that Chucky Porter was a gentleman and also was ashamed that he cooperated and gave info on his former cronies. He also said that Porter was a "stand up" guy as far as his life with his personal family and that he wasn't surprised that Porter declined the interview.

LA is a completely different town than Chicago is, cone on guys, use your heads.

During the Ricca/Accardo years, Accardo was the puppet front boss while Ricca called the shots, end of story. I know I talk about guys like Moe & O'Brien as the best Outfit bosses, but Paul Ricca is really in a class all by himself when it comes to American Mafiosi. How that guy did it, we will never know.

Bill Roemer LOL!!! Bill is a good guy, & really cared about the work that he did. But his only TRUE window into the Outfit was Jackie The Lackey, and Cerone didn't give him SHIT. Keep believing your bullshit feds info from guys that don't even live here, that base everything they've got off of lies told to them & goofy code talk.

Johnny DiFronzo's nickname is 'Bananas', not 'No Nose'. And JDF is RICH. AS. FUCK. He is a jokester & driving around in that beater pick-up is his way of giving the reporters/feds something to scratch their heads about. He has absolutely nothing to hide, there is nothing they can do to him at this point. Elmwood Park is untouchable for the time being. That's why you can catch these guys out & about anywhere around the city, they have nothing to fear & nothing to hide.

No one cares man lmao seriously

@BridgeportVet: There is thread on real deal talking about u caliming all that things and laughting to you.I mean really proof or stop talking.