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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628770
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungleā€”as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628783
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This is interesting: among voters under 30, Ron Paul beat Mitt Romney by 48 to 23 percent. It's a tie for the 30somethings. Romney dominates the older demo. Gingrich does very well with the elderly.


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Paul won the Independent vote over Romney, 31 to 27 percent. Huntsman won the Democrats overwhelmingly. Together, the non-Republicans were slightly more numerous than actual Republicans.


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Catholic voters put Santorum and Gingrich dead-last. The two Mormons, in contrast, won a combined 61 percent of the Catholic vote to the two Catholics' 21 percent. More Catholics preferred Ron Paul to either Newt or Mitt.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628787
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Newt got his ass kicked, but he's not going down without blood spilled.


Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628791
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Brit Hume on Fox appeared exercised by Ron Paul's relatively strong showing. He said that he stands as much chance as winning the nomination as Ru Paul. He also criticized Newt Gingrich. I think Hume is concerned that Paul and Newt could dampen the Republican presidential election turnout or that Paul could make a 3rd party run resulting in Obama's reelction.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #628793
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Brit Hume on Fox appeared exercised by Ron Paul's relatively strong showing. He said that he stands as much chance as winning the nomination as Ru Paul. He also criticized Newt Gingrich. I think Hume is concerned that Paul and Newt could dampen the Republican presidential election turnout or that Paul could make a 3rd party run resulting in Obama's reelction.


Absolutely.

Weird how a candidate that has the youth fired up (and for a Republican candidate) and won both the Catholic and Independent vote is considered the fringe candidate.

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9.01 pm. So far, Paul looks as if he will get more votes than Santorum, Perry and Gingrich combined. But somehow, all three are serious candidates and Ron Paul is RuPaul.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #628794
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Well, Paul may never win Presidency, BUT even taking 2nd the media seems to skim over him. LOL I'm hearing Paul's speech right now and he sure sounds happy and IS going to continue on. Gingrich & Santorum can't be feeling too good right now, doing way worse the Paul. Then again, it was pretty much expected Romney would win NH.

I think the GOP would really fear an Independent run on Paul's part, though most don't think that will happen.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628795
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"Make a profit. That's what it's all about, right?" - Mitt Romney

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-10...hless-rich.html

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628797
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Nate Silver:

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With 85 of 301 precincts reporting, 52,191 voters have cast a ballot in the Republican primary so far. That projects to about 185,000 votes statewide, as compared with about 240,000 votes in the Republican primary in 2008. The drop-off in turnout looks worse for Republicans since a higher fraction of voters - about half this year, compared to 37 percent in 2008 - are independents. That means that turnout among registered Republicans could alone be off by nearly 40 percent from 2008.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628799
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And we kept hearing the Republicans talking about an enthusiasm gap on the Democrat side. lol

Man, I heard Romney, then Paul than Huntsman now we got Santorum/Gingrich. Will last place Perry speak as well? lol

I am guessing Perry will drop out but I don't get that impression from any of the others.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628800
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Nate Silver:

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With 85 of 301 precincts reporting, 52,191 voters have cast a ballot in the Republican primary so far. That projects to about 185,000 votes statewide, as compared with about 240,000 votes in the Republican primary in 2008. The drop-off in turnout looks worse for Republicans since a higher fraction of voters - about half this year, compared to 37 percent in 2008 - are independents. That means that turnout among registered Republicans could alone be off by nearly 40 percent from 2008.




CNN reports a record turnout.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #628801
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Although I don't remember numbers, I heard the same report RR posted listening to MSNBC. They said the turnout was half of what it was in 08. confused


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #628802
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Originally Posted By: olivant


CNN reports a record turnout.


Weren't they a tad optimistic? Anyway I'll up the numbers in the morning, after Fox News is done calling Paul a fluke.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628810
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John Huntsman's speech" "I say 3rd place is a "ticket to ride" ladies and gentlemen." He was very upbeat for 3rd place. lol




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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #628822
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What is Rick Perry talking about? 1983-87 when Iran fought back the Saddam's troups?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628832
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Recently Romney kidnapped Rick Perry to ensure that Perry carried a proposal to the other Republicans. We now have a short transcript.

Perry: "Gingrich is going to come after you with everything he's got!"

Romney: "That will be his first move, sure. I want you to talk to them, Rick. Talk to all the other candidates, that weirdo Paul, my co-religionist Huntsman, wacky Santorum, even that fat Gingrich. Tell them nobody wants a war. The Republican elected officials won't allow it. And the PACS stand behind me with all of their money. It's 2012 for Christ's sake. I'm a businessman, Rick. Blood is a BIG expense. And now, you can go."


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628868
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Talk about a Manchurian Candidate:

On the campaign trail, Santorum often touts his grandfatherā€™s flight from Italy ā€œto escape fascism,ā€ but he has neglected to publicly mention their close ties with the Italian Communist Party. ā€œRickā€™s grandfather Pietro was a liberal man and he understood right away what was happening in Italy,ā€ Mrs. Santorum told Oggi. ā€œHe was anti-fascist to the extreme, and the political climate in 1925 was stifling so he left for America. After a few years he returned to Italy with his wife and children, including Aldo, Rickā€™s father, who passed away late last year. Itā€™s a shame he wonā€™t have the joy to see his sonā€™s success in his bid for the White House.ā€ She goes on to explain how the family then became pillars of the Communist Party in Italy.

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-communist-clan-113600418.html

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #628985
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Golden Shower's are over !

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Frosty] #628999
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Golden Shower's are over !


Considering that alleged Marines tape floating around, that sentence really came about from bad timing.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #629000
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I haven't seen the source video for this, so maybe it was taken out of context like that (stupid) "I like to fire people" gaffe. But either way, how tone deaf this will be interpreted.

Romney: Income Inequality Should Only be Talked About in "Quiet Rooms"

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Mitt Romney was asked by Matt Lauer whether questioning Wall Street practices and the "distribution of wealth and power" in America today is a legitimate issue. He suggested it was nothing more than class warfare and envy.

Dan Amira: "To sum up, for the video impaired: Romney thinks gripes about income inequality reflect nothing but envy, and that such topics should only be discussed in 'quiet rooms.' What Romney is saying is, maybe we can debate income inequality and the abuses of Wall Street, if you insist on it, but it's nothing to get upset about."


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/0...ms.html#045668a

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/romney-quiet-rooms.html

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #629044
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Mittā€™s support: deeper than you think

By MICHAEL BARONE

To win just under 40 percent of the vote in a primary of six candidates is pretty impressive, even for a candidate like Mitt Romney, who started off with significant advantages in New Hampshire.

Yes, he is well-known there because he was governor of next-door Massachusetts, had run before and owns a house on Lake Winnipesaukee. But the exit poll indicates Romney held his own among independents, Tea Party supporters and late deciders.

He didnā€™t lose ground in the heat of the campaign, despite his ragged performance in Sundayā€™s debate and his Monday statement (instantly regretted if I read the videotape right) that ā€œI like being able to fire people who provide services to me.ā€

Romney easily exceeded the 25 percent ceiling that many critics perceived, and heā€™s running at least a bit above that in polls in the next primary states, South Carolina and Florida.

Reporters covering New Hampshire had a hard time getting a feel for why people supported Romney. Polling indicated that his voters were more firm in their support than backers for other candidates. But while Romney had no trouble filling the venues of his relatively few late campaign events, you didnā€™t encounter many Romney fans at other candidatesā€™ events.

What you did encounter was many voters who said they were undecided and, in the last week, many who said theyā€™d narrowed their choice down to Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum.

My sense is that these were tactical voters, waiting to see which candidate had momentum and gauging their mettle at campaign appearances. In relatively secular New Hampshire, they clearly broke more for Huntsman, who lived in the state and held more events there than anyone else, than for Santorum, who delighted in taking hostile questions on such issues as same-sex marriage, or Newt Gingrich, who alternated between events on such issues as brain science and attacks on Romneyā€™s business career.

The exit poll makes it clear that Romney has connected with many self-described conservative and Tea Party Republicans. His standard speech includes encomiums of the Founding Fathers and quotations from the Declaration of Independence.

As best-seller lists testify, Americans in recent years have a growing interest in the Founders, and one Tea Party movement achievement is that voters are measuring candidatesā€™ policies against the Foundersā€™ principles.

All six candidates have obtained tickets to South Carolina, some first class and some wangled with the political equivalent of frequent-flier miles. Rick Perry flew into New Hampshire for the two debates at which he pitched his appeal to South Carolinians and then flew right back south.

Santorum got his ticket from his tied-for-first finish in Iowa. Gingrich, suspiciously specific about the contents of his supposedly independent super-PACā€™s 27-minute anti-Romney film, also is headed down there.

Huntsman did well enough in New Hampshire to get the chance to make his case in South Carolina. Ron Paul, who finished second, was going to keep on keeping on no matter what.

South Carolina Republicans have a tradition of backing winners, going back to Strom Thurmondā€™s backing of Richard Nixon over Ronald Reagan at the 1968 national convention. In 1988, Thurmond protegĆ© Lee Atwater engineered South Carolinaā€™s early primary to help his candidate, George H.W. Bush.

Ever since, the state, which voted from 88 percent to 99 percent Democratic in Franklin Rooseveltā€™s days, has clinched the GOP nomination ā€” and not for the candidates deemed most conservative: Bush in 1988 and 1992, Bob Dole in 1996, George W. Bush in 2000 and John McCain in 2008.

Romneyā€™s flight path to the nomination seems clear. But heā€™s going to have competition, which is good for him and for the Republican Party, and victory is not assured. He still must earn it.

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Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?

It shouldn't mean any more than his Mormon roots. Which is to say it shouldn't matter at all. But with certain xenophopic conservatives, it probably will.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: olivant
Apparently, there is some buzz developing about Romney's Mexico family roots. What will that come to?

It shouldn't mean any more than his Mormon roots. Which is to say it shouldn't matter at all. But with certain xenophopic conservatives, it probably will.


Well, I'm getting concerned. A President maybe born in Kenya; Huntsman's affection for China; Santorum's allegience to the Pope; Romney's Mexico roots; and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!


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Originally Posted By: olivant
and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!

Well, if a guy with five daughters can overlook the fact that his Pittsburgh quarterback is a rapist because he won two Super Bowls, then voting for Paul isn't much of a stretch tongue grin.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
and, last but not least, Paul is from Pittsburgh!

Well, if a guy with five daughters can overlook the fact that his Pittsburgh quarterback is a rapist because he won two Super Bowls, then voting for Paul isn't much of a stretch tongue grin.


Be easy now.


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You know I'm kidding lol.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding lol.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You know I'm kidding.


Well, I've never been good at judging the intentions of people from Throggs Neck.


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