That's the same argument I hear over and over again by people who claim the Detroit or Kansas City families are still going strong.

And what about all the 'Ndrangheta busts in Italy or other parts of Europe? Did they miss out on the memo about being low key?

The Sicilians in Montreal were/are also involved in legitimate businesses. And I've said before that's what I think the actual Sicilian Mafia and Calabrian 'Ndrangheta clans are most involved with in North America - money laundering via legitimate businesses.

But also one would think there would be at least some occasional criminal charges that pop up from time to time.

Ah ha. That's really the issue here. How we define what we call "the Rizzutos." It seems that many have made the mistake of equating all of organized crime in Montreal with "The Rizzutos." Or thinking that everything, at least from an Italian OC perspective, falls under that umbrella there.

Iirc the only mention of them in either the "6th Family" or "Mafia Inc" was that they were making agressive moves against he Rizzuto's and drove down the street that the Rizzuto's, Renda ect lived on in a 16 SUV convoy as a show of strength

When the Rizzutos were on top in Montreal most if not all Italian mobsters in the larger Montreal area had to pay them a percentage. Why do you think a Calabrian like Sergio Piccirilli, who allegedly answered to Toronto, went to war with the Rizzutos?

Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?

I'm not those people. And for 'Ndrangheta members this is actually true.

Making such a comparison can depend on various factors. The first and foremost is that Italian authorities have more experience with pursuing the mafia. The 'Ndrangheta has a much bigger presence in Italy and is therefore a bigger priority. So it's quite obvious that Italian authorities put more effort in prosecuting the 'Ndrangheta than in Canada. Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?

As you know, for many years, the drug trade (especially heroin, cannabis and XTC) went from Europe through Canada and the ports of Montreal into the United States. This distribtion network was set up by the Cotronis and later the [BadWord]-Caruanas and Rizzutos.

When the Rizzutos were on top in Montreal most if not all Italian mobsters in the larger Montreal area had to pay them a percentage. Why do you think a Calabrian like Sergio Piccirilli, who allegedly answered to Toronto, went to war with the Rizzutos?

Ivy or Eurodave, what do you guys know about the D'amico's from Granby?

If so, then it becomes a question of how people, including posters on these OC forums, would know much about them.

Spoke a little too soon. Obviously Desjardins and 4 others were just arrested. And, while it seems Canadian LE certainly takes it's time, Project Colisee showed they can deliver.

Yes, but I think we've talked about this before and how it's no longer the case.

Even if that were true, them paying a percentage to the Rizzutos for using their contacts to smuggle drugs or deal in certain territories doesn't necessarily make them part of the Rizzuto organization. Any more than paying Vic and Gas back in the 1980's made the operators from the Greek gambling clubs part of the Luccheses.

Because they excist as a criminal organization for more than a century. Many of the posters that claim to know much about them state the same as I do. Pizzaboy and eurodave acknowledged it themselves. I believe it was eurodave who recently stated that Calabrians have a different mentality, and he's from Calabria.

Fair enough, but I used it to explain the Rizzutos role in the Canadian underworld. They gained their power and influence through their criminal network, not their organization as such.

How long they've been around doesn't have anything to do with it.

I'm not those people. And for 'Ndrangheta members this is actually true.



Making such a comparison can depend on various factors. The first and foremost is that Italian authorities have more experience with pursuing the mafia. The 'Ndrangheta has a much bigger presence in Italy and is therefore a bigger priority. So it's quite obvious that Italian authorities put more effort in prosecuting the 'Ndrangheta than in Canada. Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?



As you know, for many years, the drug trade (especially heroin, cannabis and XTC) went from Europe through Canada and the ports of Montreal into the United States. This distribtion network was set up by the Cotronis and later the [BadWord]-Caruanas and Rizzutos.



It does:

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/vincenzo-demaria/

It actually were 8 SUVs, according to Mafia inc. This is how exaggerations start...

LOL, what page is that on in Mafia inc? The same chapter in which mob activity in the city of Ontario is discussed? In 6th family it says 13 Suvs and some smaller cars and I don't believe it says anything about that in Mafia Inc.

Both the Sixth family and Mafia inc. state it were 8 SUV's.

Ive kinda gone in and out of these Montreal threads for a while since Montagna et al; it seems like certain people just keep throwing out so many theories that, when one of them tenuously sticks or fits the mould, they feel that they can hold it up and "safely assume" that they have deduced the truth of the matter.

There's either the clinical even-handedness of the figures or the "You have no idea how sneaky these guys are :wink wink:" approach. The best posts come from the guys that can admit there needs to be more information released before they can completely form a solid opinion. The "A leads to B, and therefore confirms C because THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG" posts are ridiculous enough in themselves.

Having said that, there's obviously a handful of guys across the board that continuously post insightful and illumininating. Like antimafia and Laurentian. Especially those guys.

Ive kinda gone in and out of these Montreal threads for a while since Montagna et al; it seems like certain people just keep throwing out so many theories that, when one of them tenuously sticks or fits the mould, they feel that they can hold it up and "safely assume" that they have deduced the truth of the matter.

There's either the clinical even-handedness of the figures or the "You have no idea how sneaky these guys are :wink wink:" approach. The best posts come from the guys that can admit there needs to be more information released before they can completely form a solid opinion. The "A leads to B, and therefore confirms C because THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG" posts are ridiculous enough in themselves.

Having said that, there's obviously a handful of guys across the board that continuously post insightful and illumininating. Like antimafia and Laurentian. Especially those guys.

What page? They don't mention the motorcade at all in Mafia Inc, that's a fact. This is how rumors get started Sonny, you should know better.

Now it's a discussion as to how many fucking SUV's were in a motorcade? But please.

^^^ I totally agree with Meathead, which is why I quit posting in the Montreal threads for now. Guys are all over the place, and hoping to eventually hit something right in the end.

Now it's a discussion as to how many fucking SUV's were in a motorcade? But please.

It is actually a big deal asking about a family who made open acts of aggression against the Rizzuto's before Vito was arrested. Surely someone of your infinite wisdom can see that , no?

Mussolini, I could understand that you haven't read it in the Sixth Family, because this affair is only described in the latest 2008 edition. Maybe you have the older 2005 edition.

Anyway, I will quote it for you so carmela could then share her ultimate wisdom with us:

"On December 23, Luca D'Amico and two colleages walked into the Consenza, paused for a moment and then left, with D'Amico signaling with his right hand as he walked out. A cavalcade of vehicles then puled up to collect the trio and the procession of eight SUV's and Mercedes cars accompanied the visitors away from the Sixth Family headquarters." The Sixth Family by Lee Lamothe and Adrian Humphreys.

Mafia Inc:

"When old Nick procrastinated with the money, the D'Amico's next tactic was a show of force. Nephew Luca, accompanied with Patricio D'Amico, another of Luigi's sons, and a colleague walked into the Consenza, casting hostile glances at the customers at the counter, who included Paola Renda and Rocco Sollecito. One of the visitors was armed. The trio departed within minutes, flashing signals as they reached the sidewalk. A motorcade of SUV's and Mercedes Sedans - eight vehicles in all - rolled up to the cafe door and picked them up, then cruised slowly out of the strip mall parking lot. Two hours later, Arcadi was heard ordering clan members to round up a few soldiers and watch out for trouble, because the "crazy guy", Patricio D'Amico, was still roaming the neighbourhood. Mafia Inc. by Andre Cedilot and Andre Noel.

I believe the "colleague" was Sergio Piccirilli. This event was triggered after Arcadi's men had attacked the D'Amico's houses from a helicopter (obviously a re-enactment of The Godfather III).

What's interesting about this affair, is that during this conflict one of the D'Amico's, who was hiding in a building opposite of Consenza with a rifle, was heard on tapes saying "he had Nick Rizzuto, Sr. in his sight and could hit him right now" while on the phone with Sergio Piccirilli. Piccirilli then told him to wait, because he "had to go to Toronto first".

i wonder who planned all the other murders (rizzuto jr and sr, cun trera, renda etc.)
if it was a cohalition between montagna and desjardins groups or only one planned that
montagna tried to kill desjardins first so i suppose its group felt strong enough
montagna was killed but his group it almost killed desjardins and probably killed pietrantonio (i think he was on desjardins side) andseveral members of the rival groups were caught now

Interesting stuff Sonny, thanks for sharing and I stand corrected.

i wonder who planned all the other murders (rizzuto jr and sr, cun trera, renda etc.)
if it was a cohalition between montagna and desjardins groups or only one planned that
montagna tried to kill desjardins first so i suppose its group felt strong enough
montagna was killed but his group it almost killed desjardins and probably killed pietrantonio (i think he was on desjardins side) andseveral members of the rival groups were caught now

The October 24 Lorenzo LoPresti, 40 years, went out on the balcony of his apartment in St. Lawrence to smoke a cigarette when several shots rang. It has collapsed, death. It was the right arm of Antonio Pietrantonio, said Tony Suzuki, 48 years, a drug trafficker close to Salvatore MONTAGNA.

On October 24, Lorenzo LoPresti, 40, came out on the balcony of his apartment in Saint-Laurent for a cigarette when several shots rang out. He collapsed and died. It was the right hand of Antonio Pietrantonio said Tony Suzuki, 48, a drug dealer near Salvatore Montagna.

After a period of uncertainty, Desjardins joined forces with four men to run the Mafia: Joe Di Maulo (his brother), Domenico Arcuri (from carbon neutral), Salvatore Montagna (who had been extradited from the United States) and Vittorio Mirarchi (rich businessman Sainte-Adèle). This unit was quickly shattered with one hand and the Sicilians Arcuri Montagna, and the other Desjardins and Di Calabria Maulo and Arcuri.