Thats a much older chart, cant use it for the 1985 chart. But thanks anyway

Great job on the Charts Mukremin! For the Gambino 85 chart you could use the westchester theater photo for Joseph Gambino...

Westchester theater photo

bottom left sitting down, as i'm sure you know.

Just crop it.


Excellent job Hairyknuckles for helping out! Great chart.

Nice chart of the 1985 Gambinos, Muk. It's my favorite one you made so far imo.

Thanks for the chart on KC and good job.

Thanks for the compliments guys, try to do my best for the community.

And BlackJack, i corrected the KC chart. Will release it soon.

Cleveland would be great.

Btw, Mukremin, it was apparantly estimated by the FBI that the Gambinos had 300 made members in the 1980s.

I've copied this from the real deal forum:

These are the numbers the Feds gave for 1988.

Gambino - 300 made members with 650 Associates
Genovese - 275 made members with 600 Associates
Colombo - 120 made members with 450 Associates
Lucchese - 100 made members with 500 Associates
Bonanno - 100 made members with 375 Associates

Thank you. But I should point out that it´s Mukremin who is doing the hard work.

Thanks for the figures, i forgot to edit the chart. It should be 250-300 for the Gambinos, thanks for sharing Sonny.

Well your support is much appreciated Knuckles, without you the charts would be half empty.

Heres the most recent chart on kansas City:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/77d031253/Kansas City Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Cleveland is almost done, stay tuned.

And here we go, Cleveland is ready. With special thanks to NJBoy, providing pictures and information regarding the Cleveland family.
I hope you will like it, this is another step towards completion of the remaining families throughout the US. Thanks for all people who supported, gave contribution and of course for the feedback. And thanks again for downloading, we are hitting 10+ downloads each day.

Download link:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/299aa1211/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Awesome chart on KC and Cleveland.

Noticed on the Gambino chart you missed Peter Gotti or you had him before but took him off. Check your messages.

Saw on some YouTube Video about New York Five Families,comment how Families got some made man sent from Italy to US,and now all have +50 more memebers etc. I really doubt that happened,but still can anyone confrim it or something ? I dont think that Sicilian Mafia,Ndrangheta or whoever would send guys to US.

Is is known such thing happened long ago, i am not sure if its the case today. I dont think so, they would not do such thing. Both sides would not accept it.

Murk, the KC chart looks better, I could use the same question that Black Jack asked me and that is whether their is a paper that indicates that Vince Civella is made, I am not evening finding anything which indicates he is an associate, the same can be said about Jerry Cammisano. Not trying to be argumenative here, just trying to figure out how you select one over the other, when there is no documentation for either. I provided you the FBI report that indicates that Pete Tamburello is a made member, yet you refuse to incude him, the same can be said about Carlo Cavellaro who in the Sutera Gambling trial of 1991 was identified as made. I linked the trial of Diglarmo from 1989, which identifies Nick Labruzzo as an associate, can you point me to the paperwork which identifies him as made. As far as has been determined the last making ceremony was in 1987, when William Cammisano made several guys, to include his son. Cammisano was the acting bos Tony Civella was locked up. You keep Nate Brancato on the chart when he has been retired for years and haslate stage alheimers, where is John Glorioso who was identifed as made in the Calia/Glorioso drug trials, you wont listen to me who was raised with them, but you will Black Jack who still calls Columbus park "little Italy" when the area is now Asian.

Don't step into the mess Muk.

Why dont you mind your own business NJboy, the questions I asked are legitemate, are you and Muk dating or something which is why you feel the need to come to his aid all the time.

All I need him to do is answer the question and tell me why FBI documents and trial transcripts are valid documentation and asl where he has documentation that Vince Civella is made.

Muk, you done with the new Cleveland chart yet??

Muk here is a copy of the newpaper headlines from 1969 when 14 of the KC crew to include anthony civella, Paul Silvio, Carl Civella were supenoded when they got of the plane. The story and the trial data from Labruzzo VS the AP indicate that 4 members of the group were made. This news clipping shows Silvio and both Civellas as top MEMBERS of the mafia. Silvio is still active and runs one of the local strip clubs and businesses for the crew. His full name is Carl Paul Silvio.

The picture you show on the chart for Bennie Palmentere is not the palmentere who was made. It was his dad Baldasar "Bennie" Palmentere he owned Palmentere brothers trucking and was a secretary in Local 41 of the teamsters were he did the bidding of Nick Civella. If you will recall I reported his death about 2 months ago on this board. So you have another dead guy listed as active.

http://americanfraud.com/anthonycivella.aspx

In 1985, Peter Gotti wasn´t made yet. So it would be wrong to put him on the chart.

And seven years later he was put in charge....

I was actually referring to the recent Gambino chart. There's no Peter.

I forgot him after i removed him from the boss position, will add it. And heres the corrected version of Cleveland, enjoy.

http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/62f9d1355/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Pete Sanzo passed away last year, but other than that It's an awesome chart. Cleveland is one of those hard families to get pictures on.

As mentioned, Pete Sanzo is dead. Also, Carabbia and Iacobacci are apparently retired.

Where on earth did you hear that Oliviero is a captain?

Check the corrected version of Cleveland above, and here is also the updated Gambino 1985 chart:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/68094333/1985 Gambino Cosa Nostra chart.jpg

And also as promised, the 1985 Genovese chart:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/ebcf3342/1985 Genovese Cosa Nostra chart.jpg


Next on the agenda is an update for the Buffalo family.

Very, very nice!

Too bad we can´t find more pictures though.
If we do, in the future, we´ll add them.

Thats right, its very very hard to find pictures. Maybe members here can provide us with pictures, that would be very cool.

Kudos for you Mukremin. If only you could make these charts as good looking as the ones made by Atardi over at the real deal forum. Maybe you two could form a partnership.

Thanks Sonny! Well this is the best i can do, i am not sure how Atardi makes them. Maybe some sort of special program.