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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622144
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Romney's Fading Popularity

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There are 13 places PPP has polled the Republican race in October or November where it also did a poll sometime between January and March. In those places Romney's net favorability has dropped by an average of 15 points over the course of the year.

On average Romney's favorability with primary voters was 54/25 in these 13 places at the begininng of the year. Now it's only 50/35. His problem is partially that his positives have gone down but more than that it's that as his name recognition has increased, most folks moving off the fence have gone into the negative column.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/romneys-fading-popularity.html

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622146
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Cain is slip slidding in Chicken Grease. Hum wonder where that came from.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622220
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Two new polls from Iowa, 5 weeks shy of that primary.

Insider Advantage

Newt 28%
Paul 13%
Romney 12%
Cain 10%
Bachmann 10%
Perry 7%

We Ask America

Newt 29%
Romney 13%
Bachmann 13%
Paul 11%
Cain 7%
Perry 5%

EDIT - Two polls from South Carolina as well.

Insider Advantage

Newt 38%
Romney 15%
Cain 13%
Paul 7%
Perry 4%
Bachmann 3%
Santorum 2%

American Research Group

Newt 33%
Romney 22%
Cain 10%

EDIT 2 - and New Hampshire!

Insider Advantage

Romney 31%
Newt 27%

Rasmussen

Romney 34%
Newt 24%
Huntsman 11%

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622221
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Wow, they just do NOT like Mitt do they? lol The guy hasn't climbed significantly in any poll.

Btw, with news all Newt and all Cain, it seems Romney is staying under the radar doesn't it?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #622227
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Wow, they just do NOT like Mitt do they? lol The guy hasn't climbed significantly in any poll.

Btw, with news all Newt and all Cain, it seems Romney is staying under the radar doesn't it?

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He's under attack, and quite possibly Newt might not flame out as quickly as those other would-be contenders did.

He should be worried that NH, his "home turf," is under severe (surprising) assault and that if indeed in spite of all his money and endorsements, he has peaked (which quite frankly I have no reason to disagree with that assessment)...well, he's not having a good day.

Then here's the hypothetical complication. Does Romney keep his relative "cool" as has been his basic primary plan and assume that Newt sinks Newt? Or does Romney hit back hard and try to destroy him? If the latter option, and if Mittens wins the nomination, all that rhetoric of him going to Newt's right will could hurt him in the fall.

I don't think it helps Mittens that idea his campaign loves to float that he's the most "electable" candidate against Obama is much like the Loch Ness Monster, MRI scans cause tattoos to explode, or that Twinkies can survive a nuclear holocaust.

You know, a myth.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622312
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Romney Gets Flustered On Fox]

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Romney also strongly disputed the idea that he had ever, ever recommended the Massachusetts health care model of the individual mandate be adopted nationwide — while also standing by it as having worked for Massachusetts.

“So, governor,” Baier said, “you did say on camera and other places that, at times, you thought it would be a model for the nation.”

“You’re wrong, Bret.”

“No, no. There’s tape —”

“The tape out there — continue to read the tape, and the tape goes on to say for each state to be able to look at it.”


I was for it before I was against it.

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And if I were willing to say anything to get elected, wouldn’t I just say, oh, it was a mistake, because I’ve watched other people on the stage. When they talk about their cap and trade policies, they say, oh, that was a mistake. When someone says, oh, I did this ad on global warming, that was a mistake.

So, they just dust it aside, and that makes them more attractive in a primary. I’m standing by what I did in Massachusetts. I’ve tried to dust it aside. The biggest issue that dogs me in the primary campaign, I’m absolutely firm that it was the right thing for our state. I’ll defend that. And I understand it has political implications, and if it keeps me from winning a primary, so be it. But that happens to be the truth.


Oh Mitt, you just gave Newt ammo.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/1...on-abortion.php

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622314
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Romney has a lot of flubs/flip flopping on tape. The ad the Dems are running (posted above) is perfect (0ne of the best I've seen). They simply have to show Romney open his mouth. lol

As for Newt, he's got issues too. I must admit tho, and I'm guessing Romney is as well, maybe, just maybe, Newt will be "the one." It's amazing to me just how much the Right simply does NOT want Romney.


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I think this is more brutal.

Former Romney Iowa Chair: Not Sure If He's Got The 'Gut Instinct'

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To be an excellent president — part of the rap on Mitt is that he’s too flexible. I see that as a good thing, because it shows he’s willing to be pragmatic and do what works. “But,” added Mitt Romney’s former Iowa chairman, “I don’t know if he’s got the gut instinct to make the right call at the right time. I don’t know yet.”


Ouch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/magazine/mitt-romney-bot.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

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Man, right-wing blogs are roasting Mittens over that FNC interview.

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Essentially, Mitt thinks Newt’s plan to let some longtime residents attain legal non-citizen status is “amnesty” even though his own plan imagines letting some longtime residents become citizens provided they go to the back of line. Why one of those ideas should be deemed significantly more lenient than the other is beyond me.


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Skip to 5:05 for the immigration bit — although, if you have time, I recommend watching the whole vid for the odd yet entertaining occasional flare-ups of irritation from the likely nominee.


http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/29/br...on-as-gingrich/

Romney not ready for prime time

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/11/30/romney-not-ready-for-prime-time/

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622418
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PPP Florida

Newt 47%
Romney 17%
Cain 15%
Paul 5%

PPP Montana

Newt 37%
Paul 12%
Romney 11%
Bachmann 10%
Cain 10%

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These two states really exemplify one of the key emerging trends in the Republican race- Gingrich isn't just rising, Romney's also falling. His 17% in Florida is down 13 points from 30% when we polled the state in late September. His 11% in Montana is down 11 points from 22% when we polled the state in June.

In addition to his support for the nomination, Romney's personal popularity is down too. His Florida favorability was +43 (65/22) and it's declined 28 points to +15 (51/36). He's dropped in Montana too although it's a more modest change there from +11 (47/36) to only +5 (44/39).

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622421
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I saw these polls earlier. That's pretty startling isn't it. Romney 11 percent in Montana? Watch maybe Ron Paul will be the next surge. wink

I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol Plus, really was he ever serious or was he trying to sell books?

Right now it seems like Gingrich but this is the most topsy turvy campaign I can remember.

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from NBC News twitter:

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Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
from NBC News twitter:

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Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.




She is so, so, so, so uninformed.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622433
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Romney: Whiney Bitch?

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After finishing a heated interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier on Tuesday night, Mitt Romney came back after the cameras turned off to complain to Baier about the tone of the exchange, according to Baier.


http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20111130/romney-whined-to-fox-about-interview/


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622443
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At 2:18
"He physically personality-wise comes across as if he was designed by East German scientists to be the perfect android politician, and his answers come across that way."
Can somebody explain this reference to me? I'm from East Germany, and I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )

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Originally Posted By: Danito

"He physically personality-wise comes across as if he was designed by East German scientists to be the perfect android politician, and his answers come across that way."
Can somebody explain this reference to me? I'm from East Germany, and I have no idea what that guy is talking about. Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )


It's not a reference so much to Mitt's handsomeness or the attractiveness of East German politicians (not one in the last 100 years, really?? lol ) but to the stereotype of German engineering acumen and to the stereotype of East German Olympic cheating. Mitt looks like a politician should look; he's tall, comes across as affable and reasonable but much like an android, he seems to have little ability to connect with people, can't think on his feet or react to changing conditions, and seems to be programmed.


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol

Typical example of why politics is one big Male Ego Trip. Did Cain really think that he could mount a national campaign and not have all those skeletons in his closet come rattling out?
If someone came up to you and announced, "I, alone among 300 million Americans, am the only person fit to be your president," you'd conclude that the guy was nuts. But, every four years, several people do exactly that. tongue


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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Bachmann tells Waverly IA crowd that were she president, "we wouldn't have an American embassy in Iran." The US broke ties w Iran in 1980.


lol lol lol lol

A political satirist couldn't write this stuff; not even Carl Hiaasen.

Re what Dont Tomasso just posted: Yes, I'll be the first to admit that Obama is VERY lucky to be up against such a bunch of stiffs. When I was younger, I always thought that voting for "the lesser of two evils" was a crock of shit that older people used to justify their own political agendas, but now I know what they meant. Because even though Obama has been a disappointment to me, he's still better than anyone the GOP can put up against him right now.

And speaking of the GOP: Where are their morals police that outed Clinton's blowjob from that fat chick? By rights, shouldn't they be scrutinizing both Cain and Newt for their sexual exploits?

Can you say double standard?


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Originally Posted By: Danito
Chancelor Angela Merkel is an East German scientist and a politician at the same time. Does she look like a "perfect android politician"? (I think, there hasn't been a single attractive East German politician in the last 100 years. smile )

She and Sarkozy are bigtime buddies. Sarko refers to Merkel as la Boche (the Hun). lol


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I expect Cain will drop out shortly. This entire ordeal, I would think, would be a huge impact on his lengthy marriage and family life. Maybe his wife will kick him to the curb too. lol

Typical example of why politics is one big Male Ego Trip. Did Cain really think that he could mount a national campaign and not have all those skeletons in his closet come rattling out?
If someone came up to you and announced, "I, alone among 300 million Americans, am the only person fit to be your president," you'd conclude that the guy was nuts. But, every four years, several people do exactly that. tongue




Regarding Cain and his latest accuser saying how he called her at all hours, etc. I heard someone say yesterday that "Cain has proven his ready for that 3:00 a.m. call.....'Yea, Ginger?'.

lol

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Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??


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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??


He sure was. The moral authority as he was cheating on his wife at the same time.

Btw, I heard a very sleazy story about him yesterday. If Newt wins I have no doubt it'll circulate whether true or not.

Let me just say this guy said he witnessed Newt in a car in a Lewinsky type situation. uhwhat


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Obama may be the luckiest politician who ever lived.
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You can't win without luck.

No for luckiest politician ever, that would have to be ole Adolf. Seriously its like the fates were determined to let him win despite obstacle after obstacle that surely would've destroyed everyone else.

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Wasn't Newt one of the Republicans screaming for Clinton's blood??


Those two were true adversaries who wouldn't piss on each other if either were on fire. Remember that story that allegedly the chief for Newt running one of the government shutdowns was because Clinton made him sit at the back of Air Force One?

Anyway I also remember that anecdote that Clinton purposely copied the argumentative rhetoric* used in his Impeachment trial from Newt's divorce case, just to stick it him.

*=If you must know but I'm warning you, it's disgusting: Bubba (and Newt previously) argued that they didn't actually commit adultery in the "biblical sense" with their respective mistresses because neither internally ejaculated. I told you it was gross. It certainly explains Monica's dress "stain."

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

It's not a reference so much to Mitt's handsomeness or the attractiveness of East German politicians (not one in the last 100 years, really?? lol ) but to the stereotype of German engineering acumen and to the stereotype of East German Olympic cheating. Mitt looks like a politician should look; he's tall, comes across as affable and reasonable but much like an android, he seems to have little ability to connect with people, can't think on his feet or react to changing conditions, and seems to be programmed.


I would also blame it on Arnold Schwarzenegger, who's actually Austrian but I disgress.

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Rasmussen has Newt leading Romney nationally 38% to 17%.

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I found this article on the Fox website about sex and Presidential candidates. Give it a read:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/0...ntcmp=obnetwork


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TIME Magazine: Why Don’t They Like Mitt?

http://swampland.time.com/2011/12/01/mitt-romney-why-dont-they-like-him/?iid=sl-main-lede

"Potemkin frontrunner"? I like that term.

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Newt flanks Mittens again, now from the right.

Newt signs Border Fence Pledge

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/12/01/newt-gingrich-signs-pledge-to-build-border-fence/

(Might add Newt was the second GOP national candidate to sign that pledge, after Bachmann.)

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #622622
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Okay, the enemployment rate is down to 8.6% and no reason to believe it won't continue to drop into next year.

That's got to throw one hell of a monkey wrench into Republican campaign plans. And as I suspected, Fox found a way to put a negative spin on it:

"Though it appears encouraging that the November jobless rate dipped to its lowest level since March 2009, those numbers come with a caveat: nearly three times as many Americans stopped looking for work as found it."

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