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Re: the russian mafia
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11/02/11 03:05 PM
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Scorsese
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Re: the russian mafia
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11/27/11 06:52 PM
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AmericanCrime
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As far as I have gathered the Russian Mafiya and the Vory v Zakone aren't two distinct organizations. Theres just not enough Vors to be able to afford not working with the new breed of Russian mobsters. And for the msot part the two idealogies are similar enough to be itnertwinded
The Vors are the Old-School mentality gangsters born in the Soviet prison system. Traditionalists who have their own codes, conduct and rituals that are very deeply intwined with the culture of Russian gulags.
After the fall of Communism a new breed of ambitious upstarts began to grow into what is now commonly thought of as the Russian Mafia. They are the more familiar types of gangsters. Money-minded and more pliable then the old breed.
However within Russian mob outfits Vors still command respect. Not out of role withing the organization*s) but out of tradition, reputation and underworld "honor". But even that seems to be circumstantial these days.
Also, on a side not. The Vor phenomenon has been adopted by other Eastern Europeans, not just Russians. Mostly former Soviet bloc countries. So you can find Vors withing Chechen, Ukrainian, Russian Jewish, and even Slavic criminal groups.
So all in all, to summarize. What is left of the dwindling Vory tradition and it's adherents Make up a minority percentage within Russian Mafia organizations. But seem more often then not to be within positions of power, if not bosses in their own right.
Last edited by AmericanCrime; 11/27/11 06:54 PM.
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Re: the russian mafia
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07/15/12 07:36 AM
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The reason the 'Russian Mafia' sounds so powerful is because a truckload of different ethnic organized crime gangs are labeled under the colloquial term 'Russian Mafia'. If you list all of the gangs, you'll get :
Ethnic Russian gangs such as the Solntsevskaya Bratva, Tambov Gang, Izmaylovskaya Bratva ( they majority of the members of these gangs are ethnic Russian or Russian Jewish)
In the USA most 'Russian Mafia' members are Ukrainian Jews, Russian Jews or Belarusian Jews.
The Caucasus gangs such as the Chechens, the Ingush and the Dagestanis ( they are active in Russia but they've also spread throughout Europe )
Armenian criminal gangs
Azerbaijani criminal gangs
Georgian Mafia which in itself can be divided into ethnic Georgian, Georgian Jewish, Ossetian, Yazidi or Abkhaz criminal gangs
Baltic gangs, mostly the Lithuanian and Estonian criminal gangs
'Aussiedler' ( a term used to describe ethnic Germans who lived in Russia for centuries but recently migrated back to Germany ) criminal gangs who are very active in Germany
Central Asian criminal gangs ( mostly of Uzbek, Uyghur, Kyrgyz, Tajik and Turkmen origins) who are associated with the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which is really more of an organized crime syndicate than a terrorist outfit
All of these gangs are incorrectly named under the collective term 'Russian Mafia'
Last edited by TheKillingJoke; 07/15/12 07:37 AM.
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