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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
[Re: carmela]
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11/24/11 07:14 PM
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I said it once, I said it a million times. Calabrians have taken over Montreal. Cotroni is at the top. Montagna was getting in the way now, apparently, and off he went. And which Cotroni would that be? Could you elaborate on this? What makes you think Calabrians are behind all this? I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering. I already said as much as I'll say on this. I don't like spitting out first names and yeah sure I could be wrong. All I was pointing out is my theories of Calabrian takeover with some Sicilians in tow, is what I still maintain. Little by little all things I've said over the last year+ have come to pass. And Montagna, for sure, had no chance of being at the top of this takeover. I know some see him as some mean badass mobster, whose intelligence is rival to none, but that is far from true. Aaaaand as I have mentioned plenty times and will repeat once more... Giuseppe Big Joe Cun trera was nowhere to be found when Agostino was gunned down. Nor was he at the funeral. He was back in his hometown of Sicily. Doesn't this seem odd to anyone? In mafia terms, that means he approved. The question is why?
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
[Re: carmela]
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11/24/11 07:23 PM
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Hows you doing Carmela(Tag) long time no speak, no one on RD has heard from Joey yet, probably locked himself in his bathroom crying looking at his picture of Sal in his wallet.
For people that dont know me, im a longstanding poster on Real Deal and thought i would see how things are here
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John W John...I miss you!!! Nice to see you again!! Yes, you are a very longstanding, and educated poster on Real Deal. I always valued your opinion. Mainly because it was in line with my own. ![grin grin](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/laugh.gif) They axed me over there, I'm sure you know. ![frown frown](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/frown.gif) My guess is JoeyCigars is on the next flight to Canada. I heard about that, its a shame, a few of us asked for you but no go im afraid, maybe in time, at least it seems to be active here and most are RD posters anyway. Some crazy shit still going on up there, i thought it was all done with the death of Nicolo, maybe this is the second phase to kill the people who try to step up. Regards John W
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
[Re: carmela]
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11/24/11 07:30 PM
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I said it once, I said it a million times. Calabrians have taken over Montreal. Cotroni is at the top. Montagna was getting in the way now, apparently, and off he went. I think you're right. Montagna was probably trying to reorganize the Rizzuto clan and he got in the way, as did Lopresti. I know you're on Real Deal. You look up my username there: tagliafaccia (tag) and you'll see on those threads I have stood constant that Calabrians (Cotroni godfather) is behind the takeover, with some leftover Sicilians falling in line behind. A collaboration, but mainly Calabrian. I always maintained Montagna was NOT the man others were making him out to be. His getting hit was a long time coming. He couldn't re-organize or take control of his own dinnertable let alone Montreal. I think youre absolutely right. The Bonannos werent behind the taking out of the Rizzutos. Approval for the hit on old Nick came from Hamilton. No approval from NY was needed. When Sal came to Montreal the writing was already on the wall for the Rizzutos. Mafia Inc mentions that Sal had nothing to do with the 2 murders that happened within the 1st 3 months of Sals arrival (Del Peschio, Nick Rizzuto jr.), but that Sal could see that the Rizzutos had lost the confidence of the citys underworld, and he decided to join forces with the winning team. Seems like he was highly respected at that point and welcomed with open arms into the ongoing conspiracy. Im only speculating, but it seems highly likely that he just got too greedy for power. He should have been able to work WITH the local Montreal mob and the other Calabrians, but he probably wanted total control, and it cost him. Just my guess though. It should be interesting to see what happens next.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/24/11 07:38 PM
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I think youre absolutely right. The Bonannos werent behind the taking out of the Rizzutos. Approval for the hit on old Nick came from Hamilton. No approval from NY was needed. So you think that Montreal answers to Hamilton now? Why would they need approval from Hamilton otherwise? If anyone would have wanted Nick to be killed it were the Hamilton guys. I would imagine it would rather be the other way around; approval from New York. Anyway, I was about to go to bed when I read this news. Too flabbergasted right now...
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
[Re: carmela]
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11/24/11 08:09 PM
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My guess is JoeyCigars is on the next flight to Canada.
Half the posts in the Montagna murder thread over in the Real Deal are Joey Cigars jokes. I imagine he's got a Montagna memorial shrine set up by now, complete with portrait (that he painted himself) surrounded by candles.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/24/11 08:22 PM
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So you think that Montreal answers to Hamilton now? No I dont think Montreal answers to Hamilton, but I do think the Hamilton families are now working much closer with Montreal, and possibly the Toronto families and the D'Amicos are as well. And maybe they have more of a voice in Montreal now. Right now, it appears everything is uncertain with this war that is going on though. Who knows who answers to who right now. Why would they need approval from Hamilton otherwise? If anyone would have wanted Nick to be killed it were the Hamilton guys. I would imagine it would rather be the other way around; approval from New York. Everything I have read suggests approval came from Hamilton. Maybe I should've worded it differently. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the order came from Hamilton, but thats the way its been worded ins some articles I have read. such as these 2 for example: http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2011/01/20110107-044313.htmlhttp://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2011/01/20110108-070819.htmlLocal law enforcement seem to believe in the Hamilton theory. And they knew old Nick was going to be killed and warned him it was going to happen. I would think they have some pretty solid information if they knew of the contract well before the hit took place. If they knew of the contract, they must have some idea who was behind it. Of course I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that Hamilton sought approval from the Bonannos.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/24/11 09:21 PM
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"Police sources believe there was a pact between Montagna and Calabrian-based ‘ndrangheta crime families in Ontario. Further, the Calabrian clans with links to Montagna have operations in New York which have been operating under the radar because law enforcement is focused on terrorism.
The first shots may have been fired by a coalition of Montagna’s clan and southern Ontario’s Calabrian groups, but police had been waiting for the response to determine who is on which side"
Very interesting........it also corroborates with the idea by Quebec journalists that Montagna was seen many times in Ontario. Interesting to say the least. Sal definitely had a pact with Ontario calabrians. Whether that pact was still in tact at this point, is the question. If it was, it will be really interesting to see what the response will be. Whoever was behind this could have the Ontario calabrians and the Bonannos coming after them. I just get the feeling we may see another attempt on Raynald Desjardins life in the near future. Just a guess though.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/24/11 09:35 PM
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"Police sources believe there was a pact between Montagna and Calabrian-based ‘ndrangheta crime families in Ontario. Further, the Calabrian clans with links to Montagna have operations in New York which have been operating under the radar because law enforcement is focused on terrorism.
The first shots may have been fired by a coalition of Montagna’s clan and southern Ontario’s Calabrian groups, but police had been waiting for the response to determine who is on which side"
Very interesting........it also corroborates with the idea by Quebec journalists that Montagna was seen many times in Ontario. Interesting to say the least. Sal definitely had a pact with Ontario calabrians. Whether that pact was still in tact at this point, is the question. If it was, it will be really interesting to see what the response will be. Whoever was behind this could have the Ontario calabrians and the Bonannos coming after them. I just get the feeling we may see another attempt on Raynald Desjardins life in the near future. Just a guess though. I think that the pact was put into place to get rid of the Rizzuto reign and give the Calabrians more access to the Montreal distribution network, as well as the Bonnanos. That being said, Montagna didn't have the blessing of established Montreal mafiosi and once they were able to eliminate Rizzuto, all the allies started fighting over who would take over, hence Lopresti, Montagna and Desjardins. The most important point of all this bloodshed was the removal of the Rizzuto hegemony. Now that it's been accomplished, the Calabrians will work with whoever is left.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
[Re: carmela]
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11/24/11 09:48 PM
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Hows you doing Carmela(Tag) long time no speak, no one on RD has heard from Joey yet, probably locked himself in his bathroom crying looking at his picture of Sal in his wallet.
For people that dont know me, im a longstanding poster on Real Deal and thought i would see how things are here
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John W John...I miss you!!! Nice to see you again!! Yes, you are a very longstanding, and educated poster on Real Deal. I always valued your opinion. Mainly because it was in line with my own. ![grin grin](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/laugh.gif) They axed me over there, I'm sure you know. ![frown frown](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/frown.gif) My guess is JoeyCigars is on the next flight to Canada. I, myself, wish David would reconsider with a few people. Sort of like a one-time amnesty thing or whatever. Tag, Maggio, Les Paul, to name a few. But Maggio got under David's skin like nobody I've ever seen. ![whistle whistle](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/whistling.gif)
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/24/11 09:55 PM
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Hows you doing Carmela(Tag) long time no speak, no one on RD has heard from Joey yet, probably locked himself in his bathroom crying looking at his picture of Sal in his wallet.
For people that dont know me, im a longstanding poster on Real Deal and thought i would see how things are here
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John W John...I miss you!!! Nice to see you again!! Yes, you are a very longstanding, and educated poster on Real Deal. I always valued your opinion. Mainly because it was in line with my own. ![grin grin](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/laugh.gif) They axed me over there, I'm sure you know. ![frown frown](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/frown.gif) My guess is JoeyCigars is on the next flight to Canada. I, myself, wish David would reconsider with a few people. Sort of like a one-time amnesty thing or whatever. Tag, Maggio, Les Paul, to name a few. But Maggio got under David's skin like nobody I've ever seen. You're sweet wiseguy, you really are. I always liked you. And you're probably one of those really hot mormons. ![grin grin](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/laugh.gif) But... just speaking for myself, there is nothing to reconsider, as I never even once approached Dave about my ban. He perm banned me, no first time offense, no warning, no temp ban..just a straight up perm ban..and I accepted it. There is not a chance that I would lower myself to ask to come back or to accept an invitation to come back. It was a harsh penalty, but one I was fully prepared to accept if it came to it. Since reading my ban message a couple months ago, I have never heard a word from Tommy or Dave..and yet, my life seems to continue. ![wink wink](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif) Back to the topic at hand. ![smile smile](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/smile.gif)
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/25/11 02:37 PM
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That video of the paramedics trying to revive Sal is badass. Looking dapper, shot and killed on thanksgiving morning, Blood in the snow.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/25/11 03:49 PM
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Does anyone think that this will create violence in new york? prob not i wonder what capeci will say about this in gangland...
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/25/11 04:35 PM
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That video of the paramedics trying to revive Sal is badass. Looking dapper, shot and killed on thanksgiving morning, Blood in the snow. You know how articles are always saying "it was a scene out of the Godfather" or "it was like the Sopranos"? This time, it really was!
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/25/11 09:06 PM
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I think he must have been a capable guy to be made Acting Boss in his 30s! Regardless of whether there was anybody left there is ALWAYS somebody older who is out on the streets that can be appointed. Dapper, I concur. It probably help when he was closed to Vinny Gorgeous at the time. His Sicilian and Montreal links didn't hurt either.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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11/25/11 09:43 PM
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I think he must have been a capable guy to be made Acting Boss in his 30s! Regardless of whether there was anybody left there is ALWAYS somebody older who is out on the streets that can be appointed. Dapper, I concur. It probably help when he was closed to Vinny Gorgeous at the time. His Sicilian and Montreal links didn't hurt either. Back in the days it was quite normal for bosses to start young. Bonanno at 26, Luciano in his early thirties, Profaci, Trafficante, etc.
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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Why not? Montreal is by rights the Bonanno territory and I doubt TG will just walk away when tens of millions are are stake. Not without a fight he wont. TG? TG is too busy going back int he can with his recent arrest, besides with his daughters all over tv I think that made any boss ambitions he might have had out the window unless the bonannos are that desperate to have him which i doubt there are some other capable guys out there
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Re: Sal Montagna shot and killed!
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