For the same reason that many sexual assaults go unreported - the process is pretty awful, and it's like being victimized all over again.

Of course there's a chance that she's lying, but like Ronnie said, where there's smoke there's fire.

That's true. To be clear, I am trying to see both sides of the issue. But you are correct, no woman wants to go thru the process of having their reputation and name go down the shit hole which is what will happen if it ever came to trial.


TIS

Fox just interviewed a woman who witnessed Bielak meeting Cain, I think, recently. She stated that Bielak did her best to isolate the two and it was her impression that she was confronting Cain about the harrassment.

I'm listening to Herman Cain's press conference. In his initial statement he only addressed the accusation by Bielak and stated that he could not remember her. However, he denied the allegations. In response to questions from reporters he stated that he would submit to a polygraph exam if he thought it would prove anything. He stated that the complaints by two women who filed sexual harrassment claims against Cain at the NRA were found to be baseless. He also when asked, restated his story about the height gesture encounter with one of his accusers at the NRA

What is missing from all of this are the display of any documents that reveal what was alledged or Cain's demand/request that those documents be released by the NRA.

He repeated the story of the one accusation he claims to know about in which he says that he told a woman she was the same height as his wife, gesturing with his hand. He never explained how that could have been sexual harassment. I have a strong feeling this simply won't matter to his followers.



BTW, I wanna know who was clapping at the end of this.

TIS

TIS, drip, drip, drip. This isn't going away. However, Cain will not get the nomination. Although his support remains unchanged, it is not increasing. Also, Fox reports that for now the big donors are waiting to see what happens.

Again, if the finding by the NRA was indeed baseless, then just urge the NRA to release relevant documents.

Isn't that Romney's problem too?



Agree on the NRA.

Apparently I'm a minority according to the webs, but you've gotta give applause to that bullshit performance. Calm, firm, didn't lose his shit, and with attitude at this sink or swim juncture. I love him calling those women liars in public, who (as of right now with the NRA) can't rebute him legally.

I had two thoughts: wouldn't surprise me if The Neocons loved this shit. (that Fox News reporter asking about "the conspiracy" doesn't help that observation.) I could even see Cain supporters throw snides at Romney for never showing that much public "backbone" when the mainstream currents were against him.

But the other is, man the White House would gladly lose a nut for the chance to run against Mr. Cain.

RR, I kind of feel as you do. I don't know that he'll end up winning BUT I wouldn't be shocked that his approval goes up a point or two. They blame everyone, including the Dems at one time. Why oh why would the Dems want to push Cain out?

Hell, I say let him get the nomination. Cain would be the dream candidate for the Obama camp.

That being said, I hear there is yet another woman coming out tomorrow.

TIS

Herman Cain's top pickup lines

1) Would you like your crust stuffed?

2) You know you get sausage with that order.

3) It's salty but it's good for you.

4) You know you're the same height as my wife...which makes you PERFECT for this maneuver I read about in the Kama Sutra

5) You want a job, don't you???

So Mississippi defeated that silly "Personhood" measure.

Ohio defeating the anti-Union curbing bill was a surprise. Romney was probably wise initially to not commit himself to that losing issue, but he was forced by the Neocons to commit against it. Now he's got a memorable plank against him in an important swing state.

(Hey Mitt, try having some balls for once. It would do you some good.)

Debate Recap

To be fair to Cain, one of the women accusing him of harassment, Karen Kraushaar, also filed a complaint, later dropped, at the INS, of sexually offensive email circulation that included that hoary old joke "If men were computers, if women were were computers..".

So there are some women out there that will make a mountain out of a molehill and try to get paid.Could Kraushaar be one of them? It souund possible. She is the woman to who Cain admits making the height comparison comment. FWIW her lawyer says Kraushaar did not file a complaint about Cain based on that alone and that there was much much more. We'll see.

I didn't think it was possible but there is someone who can make George W. Bush look smart. ... Rick Perry. Check out this vid from the Republican Party debate of 11/9/11.

And one to which we can all relate here:



(Perry telling fellow candidate Ron Paul to get out of his face in an earlier debate)

What made that funny in a cringeworthy CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM moment wasn't Perry forgetting one of the three executive departments he wants eliminated, but subsequently forgetting one he already named ("Commerce"). Dude you just said it, how could you forget it?

We also got to give Cain a gold medal for bullshit in his answer about the scandal, and getting hearty applause for it. I wonder if the current CW that the consequence of the scandal isn't Cain losing points due to it, but Newt gaining them, might be legit?

What took my notice, and which the media has ignored, was that entire field absolutely having nothing to say, or even pretending to act like they have the intellectual confidence when the question about the possible looming financial meltdown in Europe.

(Though I laughed at Romney somehow mentioning his ties to the Church LDS as some sort of answer to his frequent flip-flopping.)

How freekin' embarrassing! I'll bet Perry could not wait to get the hell off the stage. I swear it's a toss up between him and Bush for intelligence.

As far as Michigan goes, I really really have to wonder how Romney will fair with his not wanting to help the auto industry. I'm thinking that's a HUGE minus for him. Yet, his father was Governor there, and I believe Mitt was born/raised in MI and many times the tie to a State is a plus for the candidate. Interesting to see how it plays out.

TIS

Freddie Mac paid Newt $300,000 as paid PR speaker

http://www.frumforum.com/history-contradicts-newts-memory

Embarrassing.

That a President who has been as mediocre as Obama is a virtual shoo-in next year speaks volumes about just how bad this Republican field really is. I just don't know how anyone could vote for one of the current Republicans in good conscience.

They're doing the impossible:

They're making Dubya look like the brains of the operation!

Mr. Cain, as impersonated by Iron Mike.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-tyson-herman-cain-pizza/

And Cain, in the midst of a scandal about his treatment of women, refers to former Speaker Pelosi as "Princess Nancy"? Really? Tried to back off that, though, didn't he?? I have no love for Pelosi, but that is a fairly disrespectful way to refer to anyone.

I decided that Perry should have "Oops" engraved on his tombstone.

Now this is big news for the White House.

Gallup's new poll, Independent voting preference between Obama and generic Republican candidate is tied at 38%. Why is that a big deal? Because just two months ago, the generic GOP candidate was beating Obama by 23 points among Independents.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150677/Obama-Back-Even-Generic-Republican-Candidate.aspx

Yeah, just a few months ago Independents were begging for a reason to vote against Obama. Now how could they?

Like I've said about the current Republicans fifty other times:

Worst. Field. Ever.

PB, your post above states 1:19. Do you remember what time it was when you actually posted it?

1:19 sounds about right, Oli.

Is your timestamp off or something?

The second time I read your post my computer clock stated 1:19. However, I had read it quite a bit before. I've noticed the Board psot times seem to change from the time at which I read them.

First thing that popped into my mind!

Signor V.

SV - Ha!

~Vote Abby Normal '12!

I guess Perry was on Letterman last night and did the top ten list. And Cain, well he continues on his merry way still coming in second (in some polls I hear First) place. All I can say is it would totally suck to be a Republican right now (no offense).


TIS

Cain should send a case of champagne to JoePa for taking him off the news this week.

Oh and race baiting time!

Cain is "Real Black," Obama is "Phoney Black"

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mcc...is-phony-black/

I read recently someone said that Cain is the angry black man that they tried to make Obama out to be.

Also, I think Cain should run as an Indy if he doesn't get the nomination. He'd be the Republican Ralph Nader spoiler no?



TIS