I love the way the Feds label the guys on the bottom of that chart as "agents." I guess just calling them the "guys that answer the phones" didn't have enough cachet for them .

They love to blow these bullshit pinches out of proportion. I guess it's an election year for someone.

Agents! I can't stop laughing .

2 - Vincent Romano and James Outerie. Both soldiers.

I agree Mukremin, but I noticed only two of the guys are in their 20's, 28 and 29. Though a lot of non made guys in a mob ran operation, of which I assume all of the guys knows the proceeds go to the Gambino family. Makes me think the family's bigger than it really is.

No way families today would give a guy in his 20s a high rank or even make him, imagine if a 25 year old gets hit with a life sentence, most likely he would flip today.

Not just today...ever.

Not just today...ever.

What?? Do you even have a clue what you write? There's been countless young guys given high ranks.

You can add Sal Montagna, as well.

According to the FBI, Gotti Jr got made after a six year mob apprenticeship learning the various rackets under the tutelage of his dad's crew.

Back in the day some young guys got made, Salvie Testa, Gotti Jr was pretty young, Joey Pungitore (quite a few Philly guys). Savie must of been about 25 when he got made, Capo when he was 27, 28.

Most of those Philly guys would never been made that young under Bruno. Maybe all.

I think Sal Testa would of definitely been made in the next wave of inductee's. He was always a big earner and it doesn't hurt when your father is the Underboss of the family. Plus the guy was a mean son of a bitch and wasn't scared to do his share of the wet work.

You're right, Carmela. But in all fairness to Luan, I think he was just speaking in general terms. But there have been MANY notable exceptions.

The best example I can think of, in terms of a guy getting made young and living up to high expectations, is Barney. The guy got his button at 20 years old; he was a skipper before he turned 30; and was acting as a street boss by his very early 30's. It doesn't hurt when your father's a made guy (like Barney's was). They can usually get their sons made early if they have enough juice. Someone mentioned Junior Gotti. He was, what, 25 when he got made?

Nepotism is a factor, just like any other job. This was very prevalent in the Gambino family during the Gotti era. Craig DePalma (Greg's son) got made at around 25, and he wasn't an earner or a tough guy. The kid eventually tried to hang himself (after giving testimony to a Grand Jury, then refusing to cooperate any further). He was in a coma for seven years before he finally died. Tore Locasio (Frank's son) was also in his 20's when he got his button. Although Tore went on to make a fortune.

So there are plenty of exceptions, but I'd say that the norm is to wait a little longer (especially in the Genovese family, where the average made guy is like 60).

Jeez...take it easy.

In a fair comparison it's way harder to get made below-25. That's all. And the Brunos have their own thing going on...
My gosh...take a vacation every once in a while...

Again, generally speaking, you're absolutely right. A guy getting made in his 20's is very rare. No matter what family we're talking about. The examples given are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.

people say assimilation this and that and that the ranks are gonna be thinning but look at this and that prostitution bust Marino was caught up in - lots of relatively young associates. There's always gonna be a ton of young kids with vowel on the end of their name trying to make a fast buck, especially on staten island and little pockets of brooklyn. and because they're young and didn't grow up piss poor people think they're stupid, spoiled, flashy - that might be the case quite often but then again those are only the ones we hear about. there are always gonna be exceptions to the rule. another example about how the mob in NY isnt going anywhere

Amen to that...and these things have been siad since the '50s. Still...

Yes I agree but not at 25. Bruno would have not made anyone at that age. But I do think Salvy should have been made that early. I dont think Testa gets enough credit for who his was, cause he was from Philly.

You could very well be right about Bruno. What year did Bruno get the top slot in philly? 1957? So it probably was before he was boss but Scarfo got made in 1954 or 1955 when he was only 25 according to his rat nephew Leonetti. Also Salvatore Sabella made Harry Riccobene when the Hunchback was either 17 or 18. And i think Phil Testa was in his 20's when he got made too. I bet there are a bunch of the old philly guys who got made in their 20's or definitely by their early 30's. But like you said Bruno might of been more cautious about making younger guys. I'm really not sure on the ages of the guys Bruno made, but i'd like to find out just out of curiosity.

I think Bruno himself was made in his 20's. I read he was made sometime in the 1930's and he was born in 1910 i think. So he would of been a hypocrite to look down on making guys in their 20's. But than again Bruno was a hypocrite about a few things so who really knows.