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KC guys out...(almost)... #615349
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Just checking. 50\50...

Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011
Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011
Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012
William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?)
Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012
Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too.
Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011
Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011

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If anybody's interested here's a summary of the case.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2011/dicapo.sen.html

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Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?

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Originally Posted By: flamingokid123
Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?


No, Kansas City was it's own family. But they, like other families west of Chicago, were answerable to the Outfit.


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Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: IvyLeague] #615395
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: flamingokid123
Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?


No, Kansas City was it's own family. But they, like other families west of Chicago, were answerable to the Outfit.


What about today? Are they on their own? Or do they kick some money up to Chicago for protection?

I read somewhere that St. Louis is just like that today.

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KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

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With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: BarrettM] #615398
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Originally Posted By: BarrettM
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

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With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.


Thanks for the info Barrett.
For some reason, I'm trying to dig into these Mid-West families.

Kansas City has been showing signs of activity. There was a bg discussion not long ago btw Ivy and joe_dice over the guys over there. Definitely not the 6th family...but still hanging.

What about St. Louis?
I couldn't find anything reliable on-line. What you'll find is either super outdated or simply made up.



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Chicago is really the only viable family left outside of the northeast. There isn't enough left in Kansas City or St. Louis for them to be concerned with. And the Outfit doesn't operate that much outside of Chicago anyway.


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Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #615402
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http://realdealmafia.com/stlouischart.html

Boss: Anthony "Nino" Parrino - Age: 71, Installed: October 1997

Underboss: Vincent "Vince" Giordano - Age 70's, Likely replaced Joseph Cammarata


“Consigliere: Giacomo "Jackie" Parrino - Age: 75, Made: 1999, Installed: 2001

Capos/Street BossesCapo: Vincent "Shotgun Vinny" Cammarata - Age: 54, Nephew of Joseph Cammarata

Capo: Frank "Big Frank" Palozzolo - Age: 62, Made: 1981

Soldiers
Joseph "Uncle Joe/Joe C" Cammarata - Age: 83, Underboss/Semi-retired
Fernando "Nondo" Bartolotta - Age: 50, Made in 1981 with Frank Palozzolo and Matthew Trupiano
Antonio "Tonio" Lopiccolo - Age 53, Eastside Operator
Philip "Philly" Palozzolo - Age: 55, Brother of Frank Palozzolo
Michael "Mike" Palozzolo - Age: ?, Brother of Frank Palozzolo
Richard "Rich" Bommarito - Age: 58
Joseph "Joe" Bommarito - Age: ?
Anthony "Tony Olives" Olivastro - Age: 62
Joseph Panneri - Age: 44
James Catellano - Age: 56
Anthony "Tony L" Lopiparo - Age: 50
Anthony "Tony" Tocco - Age: 55, Son of Associate Peter Tocco
Joseph "Joe" Tocco - Age:?, Official in LIUNA Local 53
Angelo Copo - Age:39, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent
Benedetto Geremia - Age: 63, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent
AssociatesPeter Tocco - Age: 78
Anthony James Lopiparo, Jr - Age: 70
Daniel Drago - Associate of Bartolotta
Leo Pisciotta - Relative of former Conigliere Joseph Pisciotta
Leo Bartolotta - Age: 46, Brother of Fernando and son of Salvatore "The Tailor" Bartolotta
Thomas Consiglio - Associate of Bartolotta
Timothy Hinton - Age: 30's, Associate of Bartolotta
Robert Trask - Age: 35, Associate of Bartolotta

http://americanmafia.com/Cities/St_Louis.html

“Not that the so-called mob here was any great shakes. It was strictly minor league,” stated one police officer, asking not to be identified. “We never had mainliners; here they came under the jurisdiction of Chicago. Even Kansas City had more of a mob, and more muscle than St. Louis.”
– St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 19, 1997.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #615484
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That chart was made by salviardi, a poster on the Real Deal who doesn't come around anymore. Not sure where he got all those names but I look at it the same way I look at a Milwaukee chart (showing 30+ members) that another old poster named MilwaukeeVince made.

The FBI had St. Louis at about 35 made members in the 1960s, then 17 members in 1980, less than 10 members in the late 1980's. IThere are only 4 or 5 identifiable members today. And you have to go back 20 years for the last news from there, which is when Trupiano was busted for running a card game on union time.


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Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #615492
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That list on St. Louis seems way out of figure, and who's that guy Nino Parrino?

Kansas City is a dozen or so guys running illegal bookmaking and not paying taxes on earnings. Mob type activity doesn't necessarily mean a Mafia like organized crime operation


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Kansas city is somewhere between a family and a crew, they have a boss and underboss and about 13 or 14 made guys. They still conduct business other than just bookmaking, but it is limited and low key at best. They have been tied to an Arson for profit case involving the Hereford steak house, Vincent Pisciotta and Mark Sorrentino have been indicted. Of course they run the strip clubs here in town, and do a little sharking and a little contruction bid rigging.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: joey_dice] #615803
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Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Kansas city is somewhere between a family and a crew, they have a boss and underboss and about 13 or 14 made guys. They still conduct business other than just bookmaking, but it is limited and low key at best. They have been tied to an Arson for profit case involving the Hereford steak house, Vincent Pisciotta and Mark Sorrentino have been indicted. Of course they run the strip clubs here in town, and do a little sharking and a little contruction bid rigging.


J.J. Sciortino is the reputed skip, right?
Who's # 2?

Thanks for the info Joey.
Interesting indeed.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: BarrettM] #615840
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Originally Posted By: BarrettM
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

Quote:
With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.


eek rolleyes lol grin

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The underboss is Pete Simone, he handles most of the day to day. His son Joe Simone is suspected in a casino murder here in town. Joe Simone owns several dance clubs in town and moves a lot of X through the clubs along with powder.

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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Just checking. 50\50...

Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011
Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011
Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012
William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?)
Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012
Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too.
Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011
Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011



Dicapo got more time because he was also convicted of trafficing in counterfit merchanise like Prada purses, they found 400,000 dollars worth of the fake merchandise when they conducted the gambling raid. He pled guilty to both.

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Wow. You seem to know a lot about these guys...

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I grew up with them in the Neighborhood, went to school with some and have met others through friends and I have done business with some others over the years. My Uncle was a made guy with the Civella crew back in the Nick Civella era, did time for Corky Civella in 81. My father, uncle and I used to go to the city market and visit Nicks fruit market when I was real young, always got great oranges LOL. My uncle name is Paul Varsalona.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #615945
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Joey, what about the Galloping Goose MC, how does KC's gambling rackets interfere with the KC family and the notorious motorcycle gang?


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Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: joey_dice] #615946
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Originally Posted By: joey_dice
I grew up with them in the Neighborhood, went to school with some and have met others through friends and I have done business with some others over the years. My Uncle was a made guy with the Civella crew back in the Nick Civella era, did time for Corky Civella in 81. My father, uncle and I used to go to the city market and visit Nicks fruit market when I was real young, always got great oranges LOL. My uncle name is Paul Varsalona.


WOW.
I bet this expains it all.
Nice.
Let's keep an eye on this guys then.

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Right now the Gooses are dorment, with a large number of them in prison for a meth bust about 2 years ago. I know they moved their clubhouse off of quinot and moved it above knucklheads bar about 5 blocks from the old clubhouse. Their brother club the El Forastero was also hit hard in th emeth bust but I am seeing more and more in the area. Their clubhouse is at the Northern end of the "little Italy" part of town which we call the northeast area. The family and the club really have no overlapping areas of interest. The club does not run a book operation and the family deals narcotics throuh the Mexicans and the blacks for the most part. Some of the younger members of the family deal X and powder but i would not say its a family operation so to speak.

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #615981
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Is Columbus Park still Italian? I mean social life, social clubs, etc...

I was in St. Louis two years ago and I was amazed by the social life they have over there.
Compared to where I live it's even MORE Italian. And we have a lot of them in MI, more than MO.

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Columbas park is still Italian but the Asians are moving in. There are still several Italian businesses there with connections. Garrozo's resturant, Lasale deli and Jimmy Moretina's pizza and bar is located there. They stopped using socail clubs when the trap located at 5th and troost was wire tapped and resulted in several convictions, it was known as the trap but it was offically the Northside Social club. Most family business is now conducted north of downtown in North KC, this is where they all live now days and they own numberous businesses up there, its in clay county not jackson county and it is where a lot of the Italians from the old neighborhood moved when the moulies and Asians started moving in. The river market, formally known as the river quey is alive and well and the family has a lot of businesses there mostly bars and resurants.

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Re: KC guys out...(almost)... [Re: LuanKuci] #616032
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Joey Dice, thanks a million man, you're the Ivy of the KC situation. Though I've always believed there's no way in hell that the KC 'crew' has more than 20 operating guys.

Oh, and thanks a MILLION for the Galloping Goose info. Recently been fascinated by them, though they started in LA until going out to KC, until I watched Gangland, lol....


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Thanks Joey. Great info.
KC, like every smaller family, has always interested me.

Is Pete Simone in Kc, or does he spend more time in Vegas?

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He is spending a lot more time in KC these days. Especially with Willie, Jimmy, Jerry and Mike still locked up.

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The number of made guys probably does not exceed 15 and some arnt operating, but they still have a strong network of associates, I would put that number around 50. Some of the associates are very active others marginally active.

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KC crew it is.

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Originally Posted By: Palomita20

eek rolleyes lol grin


Riveting tale, man.

If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?

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Originally Posted By: BarrettM

If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?


There are only about 4 or 5 made guys left in St. Louis. Buffalo still has a couple dozen, probably because it's in the northeast more than anything.


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