We're talking about criminals, who have different standards than normal people like us. They can have their family killed if the break certain rules.

And he's too isolated to make a move anyhow. Do you really think that he's gonna do it himself? No Way Jose!
And...again...are we even sure that he has a clear idea of who's really behind all this?

We don't know how isolated Vito is. He always had good connections so I would consider him capable of settling scores. But the current situation shows that the Rizzutos' regime in Montreal is all but over.

Don't forget your military grade back pack flame-thrower while your at it.
Nothing quite like seeing your enemy go snap, crackle, pop in front of your eyes.

The Rizzuto's are done, and Vito knows it too.

My guess is that any guys that were loyal to Vito and the Rizzuto Family were informed they were under new management by the "new regime". They were also told where, when and how much money to start kicking up to their new boss(es). Otherwise, these guys could join Nick, Nick Jr., Paolo Renda and Agostino Contrera.

There are guys out there still running their rackets and drug smuggling, but they are kicking up to the new Montreal boss(es).

I think it also likely that Vito knows who the new regime is, and who is responsible for the murders of his family members. Vito's wife or some other family member very likely heard from a Rizzuto soldier or associate and told during a visit at the SuperMax in Florence.

I do believe that Vito will be extradited to Italy to face charges there when he finishes his time in the US.

If he is not extradited, I don't think he can, nor do I think he will, try to exact revenge.

I agree with Sonny's point, in that Vito would have a much better idea then anyone else who exactly is behind what plots and which were directed at him. Obviously he's not talking though. Whatever ends up coming out in the wash (for us mob-watchers) will be interesting.

The thing is, over the last few years certain media sources have revelled in linking every new murder, every new attack, every new intrigue in Canada with whats been going on in Montreal. A great example would be the Nick Rizzuto Jr hit, which was reported as a direct affront to Rizzuto influence when it seems that the murder was actually connected to a business dispute he was in the midst of. Another is the string of cafe firebombings in Montreal, which were for a long time referred to as an attack on Rizzuto/Sicilian hegomony, while in actuality it seems to have been the result of a literal "price-war" between certain Turkish and Italian elements, at least according to the book Mafia Inc.

While Vito definitely seems isolated and vulnerable, its too easy to write him off completely at this point. In any case though, the Rizzuto's are done as the 'first family' of Montreal OC.

There is no such a thing as him getting no revenge. That is completely ignorant and naive to believe. He knows who's behind this.

His wife is selling their house in Canada, which pretty much says he's not going back to Canada. And he has no more time to serve in Canada anymore, as they took off the years he was fighting extradition.

Most likely he's not being extradited to Italy because mafia association is not a crime in the US or Canada.

He will end up in Aruba. Mark it down.

Carmela, do they still go to Aruba? I know the [BadWord]-Caruana's used to practically own the country but i thought they had problems there.

I have heard or read that the Dominican Republic is another destination for sicilian mafioso's on the run. Brazil also. Not sure about Venezuela anymore though.

[BadWord]- lol!! I think most people here know the name i mentioned. Not a "bad word" though i can obviously see why it might come up as one.

Oooooh, you bad, Leroy.

He could will probably end up in Aruba or Venezuela. Rizzuto's have a lot of family still in Aruba. I don't say he'd be conducting any business from there, but retreating to.

Bad, Bad Leroy Jones.

I knew i was meant to be Leroy Brown....just like the song.

Yeah, you're bad Leroy. Like a porn star!

Who told you that?

I was young, i had to pay the rent!

You can get around it by spelling it cun.trera or something similar.



Agreed.



Great points. And the Aruba theory is interesting. Guess we'll see what goes on when he gets out of jail.

I think there has always been only one family, first headed by the Cotronis, then the Rizzutos, and now again by the Cotronis or their allies.

Nick Rizzuto's hunger for power in the 1970s would ultimately also lead to their downfall. The Rizzutos had it comming for many years.

That's interesting. Aruba is part of the Netherlands. My cousin went there in the late 1990s, but he came back because he supposedly became involved with the wrong crowd. Maybe people connected with the [BadWord]-Caruanas, who knows.

I've always been curious about that Mafia Association law in Italy. Exactly what does someone have to do to be guilty of "Mafia Association"? Talk to a known Mafioso? Seen in public with one? In business with someone? Seems kind of vague to me.

Being part of a criminal association is a crime in the US.

Pretty much, yes. In Italy, they will come and arrest anyone they even think has been doing business with a mafioso. If you are a store owner and paying to the mob, or even just approached, and don't report it, you can also be arrested now since this forza italia has come into effect. If you are a family member and they even suspect you have had contact with a fugitive mafioso in your family, they will arrest you. You'll be held til you can prove your innocence. Guilty until proven innocent. That's the way it is.

Mafia association is not a crime in the US. To simply know a mafioso is not a crime. To associate with one, is not a crime. Because of this he will not be extradited to Italy, unless they pull a Rosario Gambino on him, but that's doubtful.

Yeah I hear that. But I think you missed my point. I meant that the Rizzuto's are done as the leading family in the Montreal Mafia Family.

As for Aruba, Im not sure if claims that they (the Cun.trera/Carauna) really did "own 40 to 60%" of the island during the early 90's, but they no doubt have a strong base there.

I was gonna ask if your cousin was Joram Van Der Sloot.

Thanks Carmela. Sounds like they could pick up half of sicily under that law if they really wanted to.

Hell no!

Why in the world would Vito Rizzuto come back to Montreal. They killed his father, son, brother in-law and closest ally, Agostino [BadWord].

He knows better than to come here and his family is done in Montreal. When they killed the Violi brothers, the wives fled back to Hamilton where they were protected by the Luppinos and local ndrangheta. The Rizzutos will do the same thing and retreat to a palce where they feel safe and protected.

During the Violi funerals, I don`t think the Rizzuto clan was present, so with that in mind, the lack of mobsters at the Rizzuto funerals indicates that the people behind the hits did the same thing.

As Sonny black pointed out and I`ve read elsewhere, it seems the Cotronis(when I say Cotronis i mean the whole Calabrian faction and it`s allies) are back on top. However, things won`t be over until Vito is released.

The Cotroni family has a lot of contacts, especially with the French-Canadian world, bikers included. People wrote them off during the Rizzuto regime, but they kept a low profile and did their thing, like Di Maulo and Gallo.