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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Lilo] #626383
12/24/11 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
We can't have 50 different immigration policies but neither can we turn a blind eye to things.

That's it exactly, Lilo. The AZ law invites racial profiling--police aren't going to demand proof of citizenship from my wife or me in a traffic stop--but they will check my neighbor because he's of Mexican background and has a Spanish name. On the other hand, illegal immigration is a serious problem here in AZ, and the Feds have simply dropped the ball.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628199
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(CNN) -- The Justice Department announced Friday that it is expanding a decades-old definition of rape that it has used in compiling its annual crime statistics.

Now, any kind of nonconsensual penetration, no matter the gender of the attacker or victim, will constitute rape -- meaning that for the first time, attacks on men will be counted.

The crime of rape will be defined as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim," a Justice Department statement said.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628300
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Last year, AZ voters approved medical marijuana. Licenses have been issued to individuals to possess or grow medical marijuana--but no dispensaries have been licensed yet. Reason: Justice Dept. has reiterated that marijuana is an illegal drug. So, AZ Governor Jan Brewer, who opposed the medical marijuana referendum, filed a suit in federal court, asking for a ruling on whether AZ officials who grant licenses to dispensaries will be considered accessories to a federal crime. Judge dismissed her case, but she has 60 days to appeal.


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E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #628309
01/07/12 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
So, AZ Governor Jan Brewer, who opposed the medical marijuana referendum, filed a suit in federal court, asking for a ruling on whether AZ officials who grant licenses to dispensaries will be considered accessories to a federal crime. Judge dismissed her case, but she has 60 days to appeal.


That fucking little [BadWord] you call a governor won't be happy until she can call SOMETHING illegal..... she's had little luck with illegal aliens so she's going after "drugs" now.

Move, TB, before you get poisoned by those inbred yahoo cowboys living in too much sunshine and WWII era nuclear waste contamination.


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This has been online awhile, but just look at her. She looks high herself.

Friggin nutjob.



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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #628311
01/07/12 04:43 PM
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Well, I don't know what the federal general accessory statute says, but it's a good question. Too bad the case was dismissed.
Of course, It's at least ironic that on one hand Brewer supported her state's illegal immigration statute because the federal government wasn't doing its job. However, she now supports her state's marijuana law despite the fact that the federal government is doing its job.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628330
01/07/12 09:02 PM
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Yes, Brewer is the Poster Girl for "I can have it both ways--yes I can."

If you think she's a nut, just check out Joe Arpaio, "America's Toughest Sheriff." tongue rolleyes


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #628331
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Yes, Brewer is the Poster Girl for "I can have it both ways--yes I can."

If you think she's a nut, just check out Joe Arpaio, "America's Toughest Sheriff." tongue rolleyes


any chance he might lose his badge though? i thought he was in deep trouble last i heard.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #628332
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Aside from hr political views, a couple times I've seen Brewer she seems a little spacy. Seriously, the way she seems to lose her train of thought and that blank stare makes me wonder if she has alzheimers or something. confused I remember Reagan toward the end seemed kind of the same (although he was much older) and we all thought it was old age. I guess it's just her way or somebody would have said something. She just doesn't seem all there some of the time.

I know that's a great opening for jokes. lol


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #628333
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Aside from hr political views, a couple times I've seen Brewer she seems a little spacy. Seriously, the way she seems to lose her train of thought and that blank stare makes me wonder if she has alzheimers or something. confused I remember Reagan toward the end seemed kind of the same (although he was much older) and we all thought it was old age. I guess it's just her way or somebody would have said something. She just doesn't seem all there some of the time.

I know that's a great opening for jokes. lol


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sounds like presidental running in the future lol

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: BAM_233] #628334
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Ha ha ha ha!!! Good one. lol Then again, yikes. panic



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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628790
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By Kari Huus, msnbc.com.

In a decision that Muslim legal advocates celebrated as a major win, a federal appeals court on Tuesday agreed with a lower court that blocked an Oklahoma law that would have barred state courts from considering or using Sharia law — the Islamic code of conduct.

The law would likely dampen similar legislation proposed in at least 20 U.S. states over the last couple of years, said Noah Feldman, professor of law at Harvard University.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...-sharia-efforts


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628915
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By JoNel Aleccia

For the first time in 45 years, homicide dropped out of the top 15 causes of death in the United States in 2010, according to a new government analysis of mortality trends.

Crime rates have been falling for decades, fueled by a range of social, demographic and law enforcement factors, but the just-released death figures from the National Center for Health Statistics underscore the decline.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #628955
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Originally Posted By: olivant
By JoNel Aleccia

For the first time in 45 years, homicide dropped out of the top 15 causes of death in the United States in 2010, according to a new government analysis of mortality trends.

Crime rates have been falling for decades, fueled by a range of social, demographic and law enforcement factors, but the just-released death figures from the National Center for Health Statistics underscore the decline.

lolYa Right, It's because everyone is dieing from heartattacks, stress , smoking to much, killen themselves one way or another . This Govt. analysis shit, hell these fucken idiots can't make a decision when ta take out the fucken trash let alone what else is happenin !

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Frosty] #630465
01/19/12 07:32 AM
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Yesterday, Maksim Gelman, the psycho Russian who, in February 2011, murdered four people here in Brooklyn just a few blocks from where I live, was sentenced to 200 years in prison. Defiant, even in the courtroom, he said that what happened wasn't his fault (!).

Sick bastard should have been put to death, IMO.

NY Daily News article

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Signor Vitelli] #630511
01/19/12 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Signor Vitelli
Defiant, even in the courtroom, he said that what happened wasn't his fault (!).

Sick bastard should have been put to death, IMO.

NY Daily News article

Signor V.

Just like the captain of that Italian cruise ship: he said he didn't abandon ship, he tripped and fell into a lifeboat.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #630536
01/19/12 02:40 PM
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Regarding that Captain, he steered the ship from blue water into shallow water in order to keep it from sinking.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631171
01/23/12 01:03 PM
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By Pete Yost updated 1 hour 1 minute ago 2012-01-23T15:58:32
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court says police must get a search warrant before using GPS technology to track criminal suspects.

The court ruled in the case of Washington, D.C., nightclub owner Antoine Jones. A federal appeals court in Washington overturned his drug conspiracy conviction because police did not have a warrant when they installed a GPS device on his vehicle and then tracked his movements for a month.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631293
01/24/12 12:39 AM
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Here in AZ a lawyer with a client on death row is arguing that the lethal injection process in the state must be suspended because the only qualified doctor dispensing them quit--"had enough"--leaving just one person who's a prison guard with no medical training and an arrest record for DUI and public intoxication. The Death Row inmate in question was given "compassionate leave" from prison to visit his ailing foster mother--whom he promptly murdered and dismembered. sick


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Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Turnbull] #631302
01/24/12 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Here in AZ a lawyer with a client on death row is arguing that the lethal injection process in the state must be suspended because the only qualified doctor dispensing them quit--"had enough"--leaving just one person who's a prison guard with no medical training and an arrest record for DUI and public intoxication. The Death Row inmate in question was given "compassionate leave" from prison to visit his ailing foster mother--whom he promptly murdered and dismembered. sick


You mean a death row inmate was given unescorted leave?


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631330
01/24/12 12:36 PM
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No, I misspoke. The lawyer filed the brief on behalf of his client, who's on death row, and the other guy, who wasn't on death row before he killed his foster mother.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631335
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SCOTUS rendered two opinions this week that I think are quite interesting. They are interesting not because of their content, but because they were both unanimous decisions. One decision requires law enforcement to get a warrant before utilizing GPS to track a suspect. The other decision affirmed the primacy of federal law over state law.

Now, the subjects of those two rulings are hot buttons with conservatives. But, having hugely conservative justices like Scalia, Roberts, and Alito sign onto them is almost startling.

Last edited by olivant; 01/24/12 01:09 PM.

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631424
01/24/12 11:47 PM
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Well, Oli, it's the old question of how you define a "liberal" or "conservative" SCOTUS decision. Hugo Black, considered one of the most "liberal" Justices, always said he was a "strict constructionist--I believe in everything that was written in the Constitution."


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #631425
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Originally Posted By: olivant
SCOTUS rendered two opinions this week that I think are quite interesting. They are interesting not because of their content, but because they were both unanimous decisions. One decision requires law enforcement to get a warrant before utilizing GPS to track a suspect. The other decision affirmed the primacy of federal law over state law.

Now, the subjects of those two rulings are hot buttons with conservatives. But, having hugely conservative justices like Scalia, Roberts, and Alito sign onto them is almost startling.


Honestly I'm surprised they did especially on the GPS precident.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #632550
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TB, what do you think about the prosecution of organized crime figures as terrorists? I wonder if there are provisions of the Patriot Act under which they could successfully be prosecuted or legitimately investigated. How much of a stretch would that be? Thus, they could be held indefinitly without usual due process.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #632738
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If he was such a big shot why was bond set so low?

Drug Organization Busted-Includes former State Rep

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Detroit— A judge freed on $50,000 unsecured bond Wednesday an alleged leader of an international drug ring that is accused of peddling hundreds of kilograms of heroin, cocaine and marijuana.

Carlos Powell, who was arrested early Wednesday following a multi-year investigation, must wear a global-positioning device and adhere to a curfew. Powell, 37, declined comment after standing mute to charges in federal court that could send him to prison for life.

One of Powell's alleged associates, former state Rep. Ken Daniels, D-Detroit, also was freed on bond.

During the probe, the feds have seized more than $21 million in cash, 66 pounds of heroin, 12 kilograms of cocaine and 1,000 pounds of marijuana. The size, scope and profits of Powell's alleged drug ring would rank him among the most prolific drug dealers in recent Detroit history.

"This surpasses everybody," said Carl Taylor, a criminologist at Michigan State University who has studied drug trafficking in Detroit. "That's very scary. That's a lot of heroin and a tremendous amount of cash, particularly at this time."

Powell and 11 others were charged in an indictment unsealed Wednesday in federal court...


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #632742
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Originally Posted By: olivant
TB, what do you think about the prosecution of organized crime figures as terrorists? I wonder if there are provisions of the Patriot Act under which they could successfully be prosecuted or legitimately investigated. How much of a stretch would that be? Thus, they could be held indefinitly without usual due process.


Coincidence. I'm watching an episode of Law&Order which attempts to apply an anti-terrorism statute to a murder.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #632747
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You be the judge:
1. A cop shoots and kills his wife with his service revolver. Claims she attacked him with a kitchen knife. His knife wounds are found to be self inflicted. He gets 6 years in prison.
2. A man shoots a 14 year old boy twice. Boy lives. Man gets 8 years.
3. Husband and wife have an argument. Wife assaults husband with physical blows. Man defends himself, but grabs a piece of rope and subdues her by holding the rope against her throat. She passes out. He lets go. She revives. Husband gets 11 years.
4. Drunken wife runs down her husband with car as he waits for the bus and kills him. Wife gets 6 years.

Which punishment seems extreme? Which punishment seems too lenient.

These are real cases.

Last edited by MaryCas; 02/01/12 10:00 PM.

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #632749
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#1 seems far too lenient. Not only did he murder his wife, but had the forethought (is that a word??) to fake self-defense. And for this he gets 6 years? Disgusting.


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#1,#2, and #4 are disgusting acts that should have been over 30+ years. #3, should have been way less and the wife should have been in trouble as well. then again who knows, maybe there was more to the story.

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