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Arrests #591422
01/20/11 10:26 AM
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Any word on who was taken into custody this morning???

Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591423
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I didn't see any names yet.

By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Tom Hays, Associated Press – 11 mins ago
NEW YORK – Federal agents have arrested more than 100 suspected mobsters in multiple investigations of New York's organized crime families.

The FBI said most of the arrests were made Thursday morning. Many were in Brooklyn, but they occurred throughout New York City, in New Jersey and New England. Charges include murder, extortion and narcotics trafficking.

Attorney General Eric Holder and other officials were expected to discuss the cases later Thursday at a news conference in Brooklyn.

The takedown was another blow to New York's five Mafia crime families. Federal probes aided by mob turncoats have decimated the families' ranks and resulted in lengthy prison terms for several leaders.


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As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591424
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They are now saying the acting Colombo boss and virtually the entire Colombo administration...Andy Russo, Benji Castellazo, Ritchie Fusco?

This may be the end of the Colombos.

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About 24 made members from 7 families...

Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591426
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Its never the end for the New York Families, it is sure a huge blow. But they will recover, it aint over yet. But first let see and wait whos taken away.


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Baby Shacks arrested in Florida

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any reliable sources on these arrest should be posted here..


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591429
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Re: Arrests [Re: Mukremin] #591430
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Its never the end for the New York Families, it is sure a huge blow. But they will recover, it aint over yet.

As I've posted many times before, Mukremin (as have Ivy, Turnbull, Lilo and many of the other knowledgeable posters here): The Families will be around for quite some time. For as long as people want to gamble, borrow money and buy drugs (and that's pretty much forever), but it will NEVER be the same.

I'm not trying to offend you because you seem like a bright kid and I enjoy your enthusiasm about the subject of organized crime, but I think that living halfway around the world, coupled with the fact that you're still quite young, blinds you to the fact that these guys are a shadow of their former selves. Sitting by your computer and rooting for them to return to their glory days will not make it happen.

You just don't understand American law enforcement. Although it's at times quite prejudicial (a fact that drives me insane), they place Italian-American gangsters second only to Middle-Eastern terrorists on their "bad guy" lists. They'll cut a deal with the Taliban before they'll allow American Cosa Nostra to completely rebuild.

Again, please don't get offended by my singling you out like this. If you like, feel free to pm me whenever you want smile.


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591438
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Originally Posted By: ovation32
Baby Shacks arrested in Florida


I was writing in the forum YESTERDAY how I was surprised Baby Shacks was never arrested when he was Boss.

I heard Bobby Vernace was arrested from the Gambinos

Included in the arrests were four of the Colombo crime family's New York-based captains, as well as one Colombo captain based in Florida, a source said.

"Early this morning, FBI Agents along with our law enforcement partners began arresting over 100 organized crime members for various criminal charges," said FBI spokesman Diego Rodriguez.

Luigi Manocchio, the reputed head of New England’s Patriarca crime family, was arrested Wednesday in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the U.S. attorney’s office in Providence said.

A newly unsealed indictment accused him of collecting protection payments from strip club-owners.

Also busted was Thomas Iafrate, who worked as a bookkeeper for strip clubs and set aside money for Manocchio, prosecutors said.

The takedown followed a lengthy probe that was orchestrated by the US Attorney's Office in Brooklyn focusing on mainstay crimes of organized crime: racketeering, gambling, extortion and other alleged crimes including murder.

Among those charged in the sweep was Bartolomeo Vernace, a Gambino captain, who was arrested for an April 1981 mob double-hit, and Joseph "Jo Jo" Corazzo, consigliere of the Gambino crime family, sources said.

Authorities believe that Vernace is responsible for the murder of John D'Agnese, a Queens bartender, and Richard Godkin, in the three-decades-old case.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/histo...N#ixzz1BasdVIIA


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591439
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Re: Arrests [Re: Dapper_Don] #591440
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It is all over our news here. I am sitting watching a presser by Eric Holder as i post......


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Re: Arrests [Re: Mark] #591441
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Mark,

I didn't think to check that a thread was already started in the "Real Life" thread (makes sense). wink It DOES sound like a very significant bust. Ovation has the right idea.


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591445
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IS - if you can get 1010 WINS online, they are going to go live to a press conference about this sometime soon.
http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?station=90

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GRR! Darn media! 1010 WINS kept saying they would go to feds news conference LIVE and never went! Instead, they just played a sound clip from the FBI head. Anyways, this is big...over 100 wiseguys, 7 families including NJ and the top brass in Gambino & Colombo families got nabbed.

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127 i just heard......


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591453
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91 Leaders, Members and Associates of La Cosa Nostra Families in Four Districts Charged with Racketeering and Related Crimes, Including Murder and Extortion
Total of 127 Individuals Charged in Brooklyn, NY.; Manhattan, N.Y.; Newark, N.J.; and Providence, R.I.

WASHINGTON – Ninety-one members and associates of seven organized crime families of La Cosa Nostra (LCN), including the New England LCN family, all five New York-based families and the New Jersey-based Decavalcante family have been charged with federal crimes in 16 indictments returned in four judicial districts, announced Attorney General Eric Holder. Another 36 defendants also have been charged for their roles in alleged associated criminal activity.

Joining in the announcement were Janice K. Fedarcyk, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s New York Division; Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Criminal Division; U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York Loretta E. Lynch; U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Preet Bharara; U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey Paul J. Fishman; U.S. Attorney for the District of Rhode Island Peter F. Neronha; Acting Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Labor Daniel R. Petrole; and New York City Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly.

More than 110 of the 127 charged defendants have been arrested, and will appear in federal court in the districts in which they are charged. The charges relate to a wide range of alleged illegal activity, including murder, murder conspiracy, loansharking, arson, narcotics trafficking, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling and labor racketeering, in some cases occurring over decades. The indictments charge leaders of these criminal enterprises, as well as mid-level managers, numerous soldiers and associates, and others alleged to be corrupt union officials.

"Today’s arrests and charges mark an important step forward in disrupting La Cosa Nostra’s illegal activities," said Attorney General Holder. "This largest single day operation against La Cosa Nostra sends the message that our fight against traditional organized crime is strong, and our commitment is unwavering. As we’ve seen for decades, mafia operations can negatively impact our economy – not only through a wide array of fraud schemes but also through the illegal imposition of mob "taxes" at our ports, in our construction industries, and on our small businesses. The violence outlined in these indictments, and perpetrated across decades, shows the lengths to which these individuals are willing to go to control their criminal enterprises and intimidate others. The Department of Justice and our partners are determined to eradicate these criminal enterprises once and for all, and to bring their members to justice."

"Some believe organized crime is a thing of the past; unfortunately, there are still people who extort, intimidate, and victimize innocent Americans. The costs legitimate businesses are forced to pay are ultimately borne by American consumers nationwide," said FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, III.

"Today’s indictments represent a major milestone in the Office of Inspector General’s statutory responsibility to investigate labor racketeering and organized crime influence and control of unions, employee benefit plans and their workers," said Daniel R. Petrole, Acting Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Labor. "Through the alleged domination of these unions, these investigations revealed that union officials and associates and members of La Cosa Nostra Organized Crime Families conspired to steal from and extort hard working union members. My office remains committed to continue working with our law enforcement partners to combat these types of crimes."

Among those charged are Luigi Manocchio, 83, the former boss of the New England LCN; Andrew Russo, 76, street boss of the Colombo family; Benjamin Castellazzo, 73, acting underboss of the Colombo family; Richard Fusco, 74, consigliere of the Colombo family; Joseph Corozzo, 69, consigliere of the Gambino family; and Bartolomeo Vernace, 61, a member of the Gambino family administration. In total, more than 30 official members of the LCN, or "made men," were charged in the indictments unsealed today.

According to the indictments, the LCN operates in numerous cities around the United States and routinely engages in violence and threatens violence to extort money from victims, eliminate rivals, settle vendettas and obstruct justice. In the New York City-area, five LCN families principally operate: the Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Luchese families. The Decavalcante family operates principally in New Jersey, while the New England LCN family operates in areas including Providence and Boston. Each LCN family has a hierarchical structure, with an administration comprised of a boss, underboss and consigliere at the top overseeing crews of criminals led by captains, who in turn supervise organized crime soldiers and associates.

In Brooklyn, 12 indictments were unsealed today charging 85 defendants from all five New York-based families as well as defendants from the Decavalcante family. One indictment (United States v. Russo) charges 39 defendants, including the entire leadership of the Colombo family not currently in prison – street boss Andrew Russo, acting underboss Benjamin Castellazzo and consigliere Richard Fusco – as well as four of the crime family’s official captains and eight of its soldiers, with crimes including racketeering and racketeering conspiracy committed during an approximately 20-year period. Among other acts of violence, Colombo family acting captain Anthony Russo is charged with the 1993 murder of Colombo family underboss Joseph Scopo during an internecine war among family members. According to court documents, Scopo was shot in the passenger seat of a car outside of his residence in Ozone Park, Queens, N.Y. The Russo indictment also charges numerous crimes of extortion and fraud, including charges related to the Colombo crime family’s alleged long-standing control of Cement and Concrete Workers Union Local 6A, and its alleged defrauding of the City of New York in regard to an annually held feast, the Figli di Santa Rosalia. The indictment is based in part on hundreds of hours of recorded conversations of members and associates of the Colombo family, including meetings of the Colombo family administration.

Two of the indictments returned in Brooklyn (United States v. Vernace and United States v. Dragonetti) charge 13 members and associates of the Gambino family, including Bartolomeo Vernace, a member of the current Gambino family administration. The Vernace indictment includes, among others, charges against Vernace in regard to the 1981 double murder of Richard Godkin and John D’Agnese inside the Shamrock Bar in the Woodhaven neighborhood of Queens. D’Agnese died from a single gunshot to the face and Godkin died from a point-blank gunshot to his chest. The Dragonetti indictment charges numerous acts of extortion, including a conspiracy by the Gambino family to extort a New York City cement manufacturer, as well as various construction companies and sites outlined on the crime family’s so-called "Construction List."

In nine of the indictments charged in Brooklyn (United States v. Alesi, United States v. Balzano, United States v. Caramanica, United States v. Cicalese, United States v. Colandra, United States v. Gallo, United States v. Gioia, United States v. Messina and United States v. Samperi), members and associates of the Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Decavalcante families are charged variously with racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, extortion, perjury, obstruction of justice, illegal gambling, receipt of stolen property and possession of contraband cigarettes. For example, in United States v. Messina, Bonanno family associate Neil Messina is charged with the murder of Joseph Pistone during a home invasion robbery in 1992. The Alesi indictment charges, among other things, a former member of the Suffolk County, N.Y., Police Department’s Emergency Services Unit with obstructing a state investigation of illegal gambling businesses by tipping off the business to upcoming law enforcement raids. The Cicalese indictment charges three members of the International Longshoremen’s Association (ILA) with committing perjury during testimony before a federal grand jury investigating organized crime’s infiltration of the waterfront and the ILA.

Another indictment (United States v. Depiro), being prosecuted jointly by the District of New Jersey and the Eastern District of New York, charges 15 defendants with various racketeering related crimes, including extortion of members of ILA Local Union 1235 and other New Jersey ILA locals, as well as for acts of illegal gambling through the management of a sports betting operation and a poker club, and extortionate collection of credit related to gambling debts. Certain defendants, who include numerous current and former officials in local ILA unions based in New Jersey, are alleged to be affiliated with the Genovese family. According to court documents, the Gambino and Genovese families have engaged in a multi-decade conspiracy to influence and control the unions and businesses that work on the New York-area piers. According to court documents, Stephen Depiro managed the Genovese family’s illegal activities on the New Jersey piers, including the Genovese family’s long-standing conspiracy to extort ILA members each year during the Christmas period, when the longshoremen annually receive a portion of royalty payments paid by shipping companies using the ports of New York and New Jersey. Depiro and others allegedly conspired with his cousin, Nunzio LaGrasso, an associate of the Genovese family and the vice-president of ILA Local 1478 in Newark, to extort ILA members each year.

In Manhattan, 26 defendants, primarily from the Gambino family, have been charged in two indictments that include charges related to racketeering conspiracy, murder, narcotics trafficking, extortion, assault, arson, loansharking, illegal gambling, mail and wire fraud, and stolen property crimes. Among the defendants charged are Joseph Corrozo, 69, who has served at times as the Gambino family consigliere; Bartolomeo Vernace, 61, a member of the Gambino family administration, who is also charged in Brooklyn; Gambino family captains Alphonse Trucchio, 34, and Louis Mastrangelo, 66; and Gambino soldiers Michael Roccaforte, 34, Anthony Moscatiello, 40, and Vincenzo Frogiero, 43.

According to court documents filed in the Manhattan cases, the criminal conduct allegedly occurred for more than two decades, from the late 1980s to approximately 2010. Gambino associate Todd LaBarca, 39, is charged with the 2001 conspiracy to murder and murder of Gambino family associate Marty Bosshart. According to the indictment, Bosshart was murdered on Jan. 2, 2002, with a single gunshot to the back of his head, and his body was left on the side of the road in Queens. According to court documents, a cooperating witness consensually recorded more than 100 conversations with other members and associates of the Gambino family, including conversations with LaBarca about the murder. In addition, according to court documents, the cocaine and marijuana trafficking involved multiple thousands of kilograms of the illegal drugs.

Finally, an indictment unsealed in Providence charges two defendants - longtime boss of the New England LCN Luigi Manocchio, 83, and LCN associate Thomas Iafrate, 61, - with extortion and extortion conspiracy. The extortion conspiracy allegedly spans almost two decades of illegal activity and involves the extortion of local pornographic bookstores and nightclubs, including the Satin Doll and the Cadillac Lounge, both in Providence.

The charges carry a variety of maximum penalties, up to life in prison on certain charges.

The charges announced today are merely allegations, and defendants are presumed innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law.

The defendants charged in each district will be prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys from each of the respective districts in which the cases were charged, including the U.S. Attorneys’ Offices for the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York, the District of Rhode Island and the District of New Jersey. The case charged in Providence is also being prosecuted by trial attorneys from the Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Racketeering Section.

The cases were variously investigated by the FBI’s New York and Newark Field Offices, and the Boston Division’s Providence Resident Agency; the Department of Labor’s Office of Inspector General, Office of Labor Racketeering and Fraud Investigations; the New York City Police Department; the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office; the U.S. Secret Service; the Suffolk County Police Department; the Rhode Island State Police; and the Providence Police Department. The Drug Enforcement Administration; the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor; U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations; the U.S. Marshals Service in the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York; the Monmouth County, N.J., Prosecutor’s Office; the New York State Police; the New Jersey State Police; the New Jersey Department of Corrections; the U.S. Army-Ft. Hamilton; and the Italian National Police also provided assistance.

Copies of the indictments can be found at www.justice.gov/opa/lacosanostra.htm.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/January/11-ag-077.html


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Re: Arrests [Re: ovation32] #591454
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Well done, Dap. Good info...

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Finally, we will get a picture and some info on Bobby Vernace.

While this is clearly a massive arrest, I cannot help but notice that the Genovese and Lucchese Families - which seem to be strong and rebuilding respectively - went virtually unscathed.

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The murders in this indictment are pretty old. Joseph Scopo was killed by John Pappa. The murders they are pinning on Vernace are ancient, I thought those charges were dropped a few years ago, I don't think he was the shooter either. The other murder of the guy was in the trial of Ronnie "one arm" Trucchio, so I guess they are trying to charge his son with that murder too. The FEDS like to pin one murder on many different guys, even if they didn't directly take part in it. These indictments always look strong when they first come out, but seem to fizzle out by the time they get to trial, will see how this plays out. The fact that they are trying to tie old murders into the case makes me wonder how strong it is, but jurors these days believe anything the Government says for some reason.

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Originally Posted By: ovation32
Finally, we will get a picture and some info on Bobby Vernace.

While this is clearly a massive arrest, I cannot help but notice that the Genovese and Lucchese Families - which seem to be strong and rebuilding respectively - went virtually unscathed.


I noticed that too, I was looking to see if any Lucchese guys got taken down but they evaded arrest.

Interesting how they finally took down Baby Schack today after all those years as Boss of the Patriarcas and nothing pinned on him. Yesterday, The Saint pleaded guilty and took another 10 eyars he also admitted to being a made member of la cosa nostra and said that Baby Schacks was the Boss. Did he tip off the feds for a sweeter deal?...


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Originally Posted By: GerryLang
The murders in this indictment are pretty old. Joseph Scopo was killed by John Pappa. The murders they are pinning on Vernace are ancient, I thought those charges were dropped a few years ago, I don't think he was the shooter either. The other murder of the guy was in the trial of Ronnie "one arm" Trucchio, so I guess they are trying to charge his son with that murder too. The FEDS like to pin one murder on many different guys, even if they didn't directly take part in it. These indictments always look strong when they first come out, but seem to fizzle out by the time they get to trial, will see how this plays out. The fact that they are trying to tie old murders into the case makes me wonder how strong it is, but jurors these days believe anything the Government says for some reason.


Yeah I wonder what role they are going to charge Russo for the Scopo murder...


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A lot of these guys will never get jail time. Its a huge dog and pony show. The fbi likes to do these sweeping busts every few years and not much comes of it. A few guys will receive 5 or 6 years but a lot of these murder charges dealing with old murders won't stick.

I am guessing the only reason they Arrested Baby shacks was a few days ago in the saints plea agreement he admitted that baby shacks was the previous boss. I bet the charges are about some rough evidence on the shakedown of those two strip clubs and with the saint giving up baby shacks they were able to pounce. The one thing that could get baby shacks is Thomas Iafrate (who was also arrested) flipping. Thomas Iafrate was a kep part of the strip club shakedown payments getting to baby shacks. If they have something on Thomas Iafrate and he flips, baby shacks is screwed.

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The murders in this indictment are pretty old. Joseph Scopo was killed by John Pappa. The murders they are pinning on Vernace are ancient, I thought those charges were dropped a few years ago, I don't think he was the shooter either. The other murder of the guy was in the trial of Ronnie "one arm" Trucchio, so I guess they are trying to charge his son with that murder too. The FEDS like to pin one murder on many different guys, even if they didn't directly take part in it. These indictments always look strong when they first come out, but seem to fizzle out by the time they get to trial, will see how this plays out. The fact that they are trying to tie old murders into the case makes me wonder how strong it is, but jurors these days believe anything the Government says for some reason.


Yeah I wonder what role they are going to charge Russo for the Scopo murder...


I don't get it. With all the trials and infomrants over the years dealing with the Colombo war you would think the Scopo murder would have been put to rest. The Colombo's are either very disfunctional, or the FBI has a hot for them, because they are always getting hit with cases. I think it is a little of both, they might still hold a grudge over the Scarpa/Lin Delvecchio fiasco.

I thought the double murder Vernace is charged with was settled a few years ago. The supposed shooter was picked up in the mid 2000's after living on the run for over 20 years. Then I thought they dropped the case because it was so long ago, witnesses died, evidence was lost, etc.

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Originally Posted By: GerryLang
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The murders in this indictment are pretty old. Joseph Scopo was killed by John Pappa. The murders they are pinning on Vernace are ancient, I thought those charges were dropped a few years ago, I don't think he was the shooter either. The other murder of the guy was in the trial of Ronnie "one arm" Trucchio, so I guess they are trying to charge his son with that murder too. The FEDS like to pin one murder on many different guys, even if they didn't directly take part in it. These indictments always look strong when they first come out, but seem to fizzle out by the time they get to trial, will see how this plays out. The fact that they are trying to tie old murders into the case makes me wonder how strong it is, but jurors these days believe anything the Government says for some reason.


Yeah I wonder what role they are going to charge Russo for the Scopo murder...


I don't get it. With all the trials and infomrants over the years dealing with the Colombo war you would think the Scopo murder would have been put to rest. The Colombo's are either very disfunctional, or the FBI has a hot for them, because they are always getting hit with cases. I think it is a little of both, they might still hold a grudge over the Scarpa/Lin Delvecchio fiasco.

I thought the double murder Vernace is charged with was settled a few years ago. The supposed shooter was picked up in the mid 2000's after living on the run for over 20 years. Then I thought they dropped the case because it was so long ago, witnesses died, evidence was lost, etc.


Exactly what I am thinking, also its the Colombos! The most dysfunctional of all the five families and probably the easiest to score a major bust. To the Feds credit, with one big swipe they took down the entire administration of the Colombos along with some 4 Captains and 8 Soldiers. Thats a huge blow considering the Colombos still havent really recovered from the takedowns /informants from recent years.

Besides Stephen Depiro (Tino Fiumara's right hand man, Tino would have been taken down if he was still alive probably) being taken down, what other Genovese and what Lucchese members were taken down? It looks like both families escape relatively untouched and continue to build and get stronger in the shadows while the other families grab the headlines..


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I wonder what will become of the Colombos now lol. There's no one left. The ENTIRE administration is now in jail AND four new capos! If they don't get a nice plea, they actually might wind up doing some real time. And how old is Andy Mush by the way? He's gotta be at least 75.

The Corozzos also maybe finished, but The Gambinos are definitely not finished. Same goes for the other three families.

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This is a chart of all the guys taken down by the FBI, this was put out by the FBI

http://www.mediafire.com/?n049saqc2labczn


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Originally Posted By: ovation32
Finally, we will get a picture and some info on Bobby Vernace.

While this is clearly a massive arrest, I cannot help but notice that the Genovese and Lucchese Families - which seem to be strong and rebuilding respectively - went virtually unscathed.


And what about the Bonanno's?


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I agree with what the poster a few posts above said regarding the Feds having it out for the Colombos. It seems like that's the case. I'm sure the NYPD has an axe to grind with some of those guys too, and with good reason. If you look at some of the stuff that's gone on with the Colombos over the past 20 years up until now, you kind of see that they're probably the scummiest and most degenerative family operating on the streets.

Killing a cop in broad daylight, attempting to assassinate a federal prosecutor (the 'aronwald hit'), the Scarpa/DelVecchio connection, a very public war that left some innocent people dead, drugs, etc... and then you have associates trying to chizzle bar owners out of a tab by threatening to ram a screwdriver through the guys hands (RueB)... you add up the list of stuff these guys have been involved with through the 80s, 90s, 00s and realize the city is probably better off without these guys on the streets.

Also I couldn't help but notice the age of some of the Gambino guys. A few in their 30s and 40s...even a captain in the 30s. Seems relatively young for this day and age. Shows that things are still movin along in the city...or on staten island at least ...

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This is a chart of all the guys taken down by the FBI, this was put out by the FBI

http://www.mediafire.com/?n049saqc2labczn


Thanks for this. Looks like The Lucheses and The Bonannos are getting out of this one pretty much unscathed.


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