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Making travel arrangements
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05/20/10 10:50 AM
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I know this may seem like a silly question, but when Michael knows he must go to Cuba to see Hyman Roth, who makes his travel arrangements? After the assassination attempt, he immediately leaves the compound.
From history, mob guys keep track on the moves their enemies are making. Isn't this how Vito trapped Al Capone's men (novel) and was able to ambush them? So how is it that Michael boards a TRAIN with one bodyguard (unknown at that) and seems relatively safe?
I ask because in GF1 Vito and Mike make these meticulous plans in order to whack the heads of the families, and it seems that Michael either had his plans made already or that he accomplished his travel easily, and most immportantly, confidentially. How does one with that much clout get around unnoticed?
Also, same above for the Cessna, when he leaves to come back to the U.S.
"Now, that plane goes to Miami." "That's right. That's where I want it met."
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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05/20/10 11:46 AM
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Not a bad question at all. In some other thread I questioned how easily Tom Hagen got a flight to LA on short notice.
In Michael's case, the family likely had connections with the railroads, airlines, etc., and could make arrangements for travel on a moment's notice. As for taking the train, Michael was in Tahoe, but he had to go to Miami to see Roth and then make his surrise visit to Pentangeli, and then go to Cuba.
My best guess is that he traveled from Tahoe overland to the nearest plac where he could catch a train to Miami. Roth was told Michael was on the way because he was met by Johnny Ola, and the visit to Roth's house was not supposed to be a surprise. As for the bodyguard, IMHO Michael already suspected Roth, and he needed someone who would protect him AND kill enemies in Cuba, as he did (or in Roth's case tried). Since Roth had already failed in his effort to kill Mike, he would not have tried again knowing Mike was on his way to Miami. Back then he could probably have traveled by rail using an assumed name.
I think he took the train more to keep Pentangeli off his trail so he could make the surprise visit.
Always keeping his enemies closer, Michael visits Roth to misdirect him into thinking Michael believed Pentangeli tried to kill him, and clearing this with Roth in advance, presumably to keep the Rosatos from taking over the olive oil business while the Corleones cleaned house.
Once this was done, Mike goes to NY to tell Pentangeli to go along with the Rosatos, and to help him take his revenge against Roth.
Then its on to Cuba, for a meeting everyone knows about.
Roth definitely had spies, however because he was keenly aware of when the 2 million reached Havana (the spy probably being Fredo).
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
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"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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05/20/10 12:41 PM
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Good questions, Louren. ![smile smile](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/smile.gif) Michael left Tahoe immediately for his family's safety. He was almost certain that Roth was behind the failed attack. Roth was ruthless enough to have his bedroom machine-gunned, even if that meant that Kay and/or the kids would be killed, too. And, because Roth had someone inside the compound helping him, he'd try again, just as ruthlessly. But, as long as Roth believed that Michael didn't suspect him--and, more important, that he could get the $2 million from him--Michael would be able to buy time to figure out who the traitor was. I think that Michael could have flown via commuter plane from Tahoe to Vegas, where he could have gotten a commercial airliner to Miami. Going by train, IMO, was directorial license--time to give us a good look at the bodyguard, and to see Michael swallowing a pill (I bet it was Miltown, the tranquilizer of choice in the late '50's). Flying would have been safer than traveling by train. Yes, ordinarily gangsters in fear for their lives wouldn't let their plans be known. But, since Michael was sure Roth wouldn't try again until he got the $2 million, it'd be in Michael's interest to let Roth know he was coming--that way, Roth would be relaxed, thinking that their deal was still on, and that Michael suspected Pentangeli, which is just how Roth set it up in Tahoe. As for the plane in Cuba: My guess is that as soon as Michael figured that Roth was going to have him assassinated on his way back from the Presidential New Year's Eve party, he called Tom and had him arrange the charter plane to be standing by. Or, Michael could have arranged it himself. Not a big deal.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/09/10 01:52 AM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. How did Clemenza know what floor to go to anyway??
"Now, that plane goes to Miami." "That's right. That's where I want it met."
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/09/10 12:24 PM
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I wonder how they all got to Sicily in GFIII? Poor writing ![whistle whistle](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/whistling.gif) .
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/09/10 12:43 PM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. How did Clemenza know what floor to go to anyway?? FFC told him. ![wink wink](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif)
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/09/10 03:33 PM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. How did Clemenza know what floor to go to anyway?? Better yet, can you imagine a 300+ lb. guy jogging up all those steps and arriving just as the elevator door opens to reveal his victims? Talk about kismet!
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/10/10 10:31 AM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. The hooker they killed to blackmail Geary was a civilian too. Maybe hookers don't count as collateral damage.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/10/10 03:26 PM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. The hooker they killed to blackmail Geary was a civilian too. Maybe hookers don't count as collateral damage. If you'd kill your own brother, Madonne, can you imagine how worthless you consider a hooker's life?
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/12/10 08:26 AM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. How did Clemenza know what floor to go to anyway?? Better yet, can you imagine a 300+ lb. guy jogging up all those steps and arriving just as the elevator door opens to reveal his victims? Talk about kismet! Better yet, Castellano had to do it about 30 times. At least, that's what his widow Ardell wrote in her book. After the scene was finished, he was complete wet, and his face pale.
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/13/10 10:26 AM
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Yes, the hooker in bed with Tattaglia was a "civilan." And I doubt that the elevator operator would have survived Clemenza's two blasts with the shotgun. The hooker they killed to blackmail Geary was a civilian too. Maybe hookers don't count as collateral damage. If you'd kill your own brother, Madonne, can you imagine how worthless you consider a hooker's life? While killing your own brother seems horrific on the face of it, remember that this brother had himself done something that almost got Michael killed. Michael's killing of Fredo was hardly unprovoked. In Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven," Little Bill Daggett (a sheriff played by Gene Hackman) hardly seems to consider prostitutes very important either. Although male machismo plays a role, I think there's also a belief that if these prostitutes have so little respect for themselves (I realize that women sometimes have different motivations for going into prostitution, but nevertheless that's the perception, and not without justification), why should anyone else respect and value them either?
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Re: Making travel arrangements
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11/18/10 03:22 PM
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Not a bad question at all. In some other thread I questioned how easily Tom Hagen got a flight to LA on short notice.
Priceline? As the novel states, Tom secured priority passage due to a grateful Pentagon officer.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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