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Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Kuklinski] #588293
12/15/10 08:51 AM
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This is true. I just do not see how he thought he was bigger than the Corleone family.


It is better to beg for forgivness than ask for permission.
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Kuklinski] #588394
12/15/10 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kuklinski
You have to understand, that men like this, are kings of their domains. They dont see a threat the way you and I might. They only see potential threats as obstacles, while they reign as goads on Earth. That is the life.


That is true. You see it in a deleted scene in II in which Neri moves Klingman out of his hotel. Klingman is indignant: "Who do you think you're talking to?" And, "You can't come in here and talk to an owner like that." Geary is another example. Like every other Nevadan at that time who had two or more generations in the state, he thought he was beyond any laws--could patronize a brothel without worrying about his reputation, squeeze the "outsiders" and seem as if he were keeping his state "clean."

Another perfect example: In "Casino," County Commissioner Pat Webb (L.Q. Jones) callls on casino manager Ace Rothstein (DeNiro) to insist that his incompetent brother in law be reinstated in a "juiced-in" casino job. When Rothstein refuses, Webb says: "You people will never understand that you're here at our invitation. And I can send you back where you came from even if I have to harelip the governor." And he managed to put Rothstein in the Black Book.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Kuklinski] #588420
12/16/10 10:17 AM
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From the way the killing scenes were edited, I also believed for some time that Moe was killed by Cicci. Perhaps because of the same atmosphere in the barber shop and in Moe's massage room. And when Cicci throws away his cigarette, it looks as if he's going to kill Moe when in fact he's going to the revolving door.

Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Louren_Lampone] #592197
01/25/11 06:17 PM
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Was Moe even under the Corleones or made his buttons by a different family...the reason I'm askign bcause you got have some brazen cajoles to smack/slap a Corleone in face in public unless you got somebody else backing you.....


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Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: ADilla_Nevada] #592245
01/25/11 09:29 PM
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Moe was based on the real-life Bugsy Siegel, who was an ally of Meyer Lansky and, through Lansky, Charlie Luciano. But he was an independent operator in LA and Vegas. The real-life Siegel pushed around LA's two top Italian mobsters: Tony (the Admiral) Cornero and Jack Dragna, though I don't believe he slapped them around in public. That was probably a factor (but not the biggest factor) in his own assassination.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Turnbull] #592275
01/26/11 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: Kuklinski
You have to understand, that men like this, are kings of their domains. They dont see a threat the way you and I might. They only see potential threats as obstacles, while they reign as goads on Earth. That is the life.


That is true. You see it in a deleted scene in II in which Neri moves Klingman out of his hotel. Klingman is indignant: "Who do you think you're talking to?" And, "You can't come in here and talk to an owner like that." Geary is another example. Like every other Nevadan at that time who had two or more generations in the state, he thought he was beyond any laws--could patronize a brothel without worrying about his reputation, squeeze the "outsiders" and seem as if he were keeping his state "clean."

Another perfect example: In "Casino," County Commissioner Pat Webb (L.Q. Jones) callls on casino manager Ace Rothstein (DeNiro) to insist that his incompetent brother in law be reinstated in a "juiced-in" casino job. When Rothstein refuses, Webb says: "You people will never understand that you're here at our invitation. And I can send you back where you came from even if I have to harelip the governor." And he managed to put Rothstein in the Black Book.


Just a quick aside TB... I always thought that was really stupid how Rothstein handled that and wasn't at all how Vito would have done it. Webb asks for the moon (The brother-in-law reinstated to the same job) which Rothstein properly denies.

Webb chuckles and agrees that the fellow really is incompetent and reduces his request to some other job. Rothstein still refuses.

I thought he missed an opportunity to make a friend of the commissioner. He had already made his point. With the second refusal he left Webb no way out. I don't think that's how Vito would have handled it. Always leave the other guy something on the table...


"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Louren_Lampone] #592291
01/26/11 09:59 AM
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And besides, Moe could have never been "made" as he wasn't an Italian.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Lilo] #592295
01/26/11 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: Lilo
Just a quick aside TB... I always thought that was really stupid how Rothstein handled that and wasn't at all how Vito would have done it. Webb asks for the moon (The brother-in-law reinstated to the same job) which Rothstein properly denies.

Webb chuckles and agrees that the fellow really is incompetent and reduces his request to some other job. Rothstein still refuses.

I thought he missed an opportunity to make a friend of the commissioner. He had already made his point. With the second refusal he left Webb no way out. I don't think that's how Vito would have handled it. Always leave the other guy something on the table...


That was indeed a stupid decision and not made by the Rothstein we know from the rest of the film.


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Sonny_Black] #592314
01/26/11 12:09 PM
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Agreed--definitely a stupid decision. I think it pointed up a basic flaw in Rothstein: he was trying to be a perfectionist manager in the casino business, as if there were some unrelenting rulebook to be followed. Meanwhile, he was breaking the rules by pretenting to be legitimate, even though he was fronting for Mob interests. By definition, the casino business is one where, "to get along, go along." Webb cited him for his dubious pals; Rothstein should have given in on Webb's dubious brother in law. Jerk.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Moe's Big Mouth [Re: Louren_Lampone] #592346
01/26/11 03:27 PM
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But, as the film is based on real life events/persons, I wonder if this siuation also happened in real life?


"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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